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BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

How slow is TWC?

How bad is TAC that this is actually appealing? I have 25/4 on Comcast, and it's soon going to 50/10, leaving anything DSL can do in the DUST.


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
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said by BiggA:

How bad is TAC that this is actually appealing? I have 25/4 on Comcast, and it's soon going to 50/10, leaving anything DSL can do in the DUST.

TAC [sic] blows this offer away, generally, but for some narrow circumstances, Fusion wins, and for some, going with the little guy (Sonic) is important, while others just hate CableCo regardless. Some day, theoretically, our Fusion services will be supplanted by Sonic FTTH. We'll see.

Its great to have any alternative to AT&T or cable; Fusion is viable for some. But as you've noted, Cable can easily double their speed, and they will. TWC upped download speeds 50% this year while keeping rates flat (absent the stupid modem fee, which Sonic and DSLX mimic in their own way).

I think Sonic seriously mis-stepped by requiring dialtone and the modem rental, instead of offering up a two-pair naked service pushing 40M. But they can only do so much - they may be focusing their resources on near-term FTTH.


mackey

join:2007-08-20
kudos:6
reply to BiggA

said by BiggA:

How bad is TAC that this is actually appealing? I have 25/4 on Comcast, and it's soon going to 50/10, leaving anything DSL can do in the DUST.

It's not just the speed, it's the price: 15/1 is $60, 20/2 is $70, 30/5 is $80 and 50/5 is $90. If you have a small business (say a retail store or something) it's even more ridiculous: 10/1 is $120, 15/2 is $240, 35/5 is $276 and 50/5 is $360.

/M

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Our TWC rates are about half those you cite for the same speeds, so Fusion harder to justify, even before you consider the throes of dealing with AT&T's deluxe copper.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to mackey

That is kind of insane. I'm paying around $65 (not including the new customer deal I'm on right now) for 25/4, soon to be 50/10 on Comcast.


tanzam75

join:2012-07-19

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reply to elray

said by elray:

I think Sonic seriously mis-stepped by requiring dialtone and the modem rental, instead of offering up a two-pair naked service pushing 40M. But they can only do so much - they may be focusing their resources on near-term FTTH.

According to Sonic, this is because they've run into a lot of problems with dry-loop service: »corp.sonic.net/ceo/2012/03/01/fu···changes/

Summary: Dry loops create a lot of problems with the install, and are also liable to be "stolen," as technicians use the absence of dialtone to indicate that a pair is not in use.

By forcibly bundling dialtone, they enable self-installs, are guaranteed to get a known-working copper pair, and become immune to line-"stealing" because the AT&T technician will hear a dialtone.


NormanS
I gave her time to steal my mind away
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:11
Reviews:
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reply to BiggA

said by BiggA:

That is kind of insane. I'm paying around $65 (not including the new customer deal I'm on right now) for 25/4, soon to be 50/10 on Comcast.

Getting 25/4 isn't as important to me as the phone frills (AT&T would charge me an extra $28 a month for them), static IP address (AT&T Internet price would double for this), delegation of reverse IP, the explicit permission to run servers, and a low-cost DNS zone for my domain. Neither Comcast, nor TWC will provide all of that for anything short of business class price.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink
reply to tanzam75

said by tanzam75:

said by elray:

I think Sonic seriously mis-stepped by requiring dialtone and the modem rental, instead of offering up a two-pair naked service pushing 40M. But they can only do so much - they may be focusing their resources on near-term FTTH.

According to Sonic, this is because they've run into a lot of problems with dry-loop service: »corp.sonic.net/ceo/2012/03/01/fu···changes/

Summary: Dry loops create a lot of problems with the install, and are also liable to be "stolen," as technicians use the absence of dialtone to indicate that a pair is not in use.

By forcibly bundling dialtone, they enable self-installs, are guaranteed to get a known-working copper pair, and become immune to line-"stealing" because the AT&T technician will hear a dialtone.

Actually, Sonic's blog entry you cite says nothing about problems with dry loops, nor does dry loop negate self-install, while the presence of dialtone does not guarantee it.

I take no issue with a CEO sacrificing certain niche customers if they don't fit within the company's most efficient service model. But Dane hasn't made that case, not that he has to. I'm just suggesting that the 40M product has the potential to keep Sonic relevant over the next few years, while CableCo and U-Verse continue to improve their speed tiers.

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to NormanS

Landline phone? What's that? lol. I guess a static IP is one thing, although at this point in the game, why are you running servers locally?



NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:11
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said by BiggA:

Landline phone? What's that? lol. I guess a static IP is one thing, although at this point in the game, why are you running servers locally?

Because I can.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum