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skeechan
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Re: [iPhone] Do you think the iPhone is a good "value"

Jeff Bezos should be more concerned about the kind of companies that lose a crapload of money.

Meanwhile iPhone sales appear to be doing just fine and despite all the whining had yet another record quarter, despite it being only 13 weeks instead of the usual 14.



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said by skeechan:

Meanwhile iPhone sales appear to be doing just fine and despite all the whining had yet another record quarter, despite it being only 13 weeks instead of the usual 14.

That misses the bigger picture. It's not about a great quarter, it's about how well they will do in the coming quarters... aka growth. Their prospects for growth are dimming as their product line stagnates and others innovate. I read somewhere that the iPhone is no longer the prized phone to own in China, which is having a profound effect on growth prospects overseas.

They're not going bankrupt, but they are not growing nearly as fast as they have over the recent past. Their product pipline (or lack thereof) will determine if they can turn that around, or if they've hit their market saturation point. Looking at market share, it's clear Android handsets are pulling away from the pack.

Apple needs to demonstrate that they still can innovate post-Jobs... and they simply have yet to do so.


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said by skeechan:

Jeff Bezos should be more concerned about the kind of companies that lose a crapload of money.

Meanwhile iPhone sales appear to be doing just fine and despite all the whining had yet another record quarter, despite it being only 13 weeks instead of the usual 14.

Profits for amazon are reinvested into the company. It's a long term strategy and it's working out nicely for amazon.
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You don't reinvest profit. Profit is the retained earnings; it is what is left AFTER spending including reinvestment (along with payouts of dividends). When you post a loss, there is no profit. Expenses and charges exceeded revenues.

Meanwhile massive losses aren't a long term strategy, just ask Pets.com.



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Growth has been in the insane double digits for eons. Expecting 50% year over year over year over year, is exponential growth and no company sustains it, especially as these extraordinarily high levels. But that doesn't mean that growth doesn't continue at an insane rate as it is still doing at Apple.

No one else is innovating, the market is stagnant in terms of actual innovation. They're taking the same products and making small tweaks...little bigger screen, little faster processor; nothing revolutionary.

Meanwhile Apple sold a record number of handsets, more than Samsung did in the US and they make higher margins on each.



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Well, we shall see I suppose. Personally, I think Apple is at the begninings of a long, slow decline in the post-Jobs era. But as always... time will tell.



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This last quarter they sold nearly 50 million iPhones with 30% y/y growth. They did another 20 something million iPads for nearly 50% y/y growth. As that slows they're still going to get a lot of altitude before they see declines in sales numbers, if they ever see declines in sales numbers.

If there is ever a decline, it would start with hundreds of billions in the bank and hundreds of millions of unit sales per year. If there ever is a decline, you are right, it would take a long time...a VERY long time.

They would have to pull a metro to F this all up or someone else invent a phone that gives awesome BJs. A 5" screen and NFC ain't gonna do it.