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davegravy

@teksavvy.com
reply to ontarian

Re: Voltage - still no cease and desist letter?

said by ontarian :

IMHO. It looks like voltage's nutz are in a Vise now cause "cease and desist letter" must tell alleged "pirates" to STOP SHARING BS "works" + REMOVE THEM FROM THE HARD DRIVE (so they are not "shared" anymore). voltage clowns do not want people to remove their BS "works" form hard drives cause NO BS "works" - no "evidence" in case they want to take some people to court to make an exemplary case with hard drive forensics etc. voltage's "lawyers" NEED THERE BS "works" on people's hard drives, otherwise their extortion scheme is not going to work. So a requirement to issue of "cease and desist letter" is a literal command to voltage to go and f..k themselves right now while they are not yet liable for more money then they owe TSI for their BS inquiry to get personal info of account holders in a first place.

IMHO

I'd be pretty happy if that were truly their conundrum, but I don't see why ceasing to share Voltage's work over bittorrent is equal to deleting it from the accused's hard drive.

You can stop sharing while preserving the evidence, can't you?


shrug

@videotron.ca

said by davegravy :

You can stop sharing while preserving the evidence, can't you?

You are assuming that mom & pop know this.

I've seen some parents get those notice-and-notice letters from ISP's and mom & pop know nothing of p2p.


Dr Facts

@gc.ca
reply to davegravy

I'm not sure anyone is actually legally compelled to do anything with any file; an email from Voltage via TSI is hardly binding.

But the lack of C&D is just baffling, you'd think to buttress their punitive damages case they would have fired that off the second it came up in court realizing they should have done it from the get-go.

The only reasons I can think of are

a) Their lawyer is just incompetent.
b) They've given up
c) They're playing some sneaky Jedi 3D chess game that we just can't see



Dork

@184.151.63.x
reply to davegravy

+1

a torrent does not equal the data you get from it. you can simply stop the torrent, or delete the torrent without deleting the data (read crappy movie)

plus if it were deleted forensics could still find a trace

They WANT their work shared so they can sue (or at least threaten to) more later


MrMazda86

join:2013-01-29
Kitchener, ON

said by Dork :

+1

a torrent does not equal the data you get from it. you can simply stop the torrent, or delete the torrent without deleting the data (read crappy movie)

plus if it were deleted forensics could still find a trace

They WANT their work shared so they can sue (or at least threaten to) more later

There are ways around that... The file contents still remain on the hard drive able to be recovered until such a time as the drive sector is over-written. It's a simple matter of re-writing the sector(s) repeatedly to wipe the contents. Once done, no amount of forensics can retrieve the data from the drive.


TwiztedZero
Nine Zero Burp Nine Six
Premium
join:2011-03-31
Toronto, ON
kudos:5

No amount of forensics can retrieve the data from the inside a raging volcano.



ontarian

@einsenundnullen.de
reply to davegravy

said by davegravy :

You can stop sharing while preserving the evidence, can't you?

Trolls NEED the "evidence" on your hard drive. Imagine a letter saying "stop sharing our BS works immediately but DO NOT DELETE IT FROM YOUR HARD DRIVE so we can EXTORT MONEY FROM YOU YOU EASIER". In my view "cease and desist letter" must tell a sharer to stop sharing + kill the file which was obtained "illegally", it just makes more sense to word it like that. Otherwise, it makes obvious troll's intentions not to stop illegal downloading / uploading but to EXTORT MONEY. IMHO

UK_Dave

join:2011-01-27
Powassan, ON
kudos:2
reply to TwiztedZero

Especially if one travels there on the back of an Eagle.

Cheers,
Dave

..........One judge to rule on it all, and in the darkness bind us.


MrMazda86

join:2013-01-29
Kitchener, ON
reply to TwiztedZero

said by TwiztedZero:

No amount of forensics can retrieve the data from the inside a raging volcano.

Yes... That works too.


JohnDohnut

@75.98.19.x
reply to ontarian

1. Forensics to recover deleted and overwritten files is insanely expensive.
2. Voltage can't send a letter demanding to stop sharing while keeping the file. Think about how ridicules that letter would be :

Hello Mr. Pirate, stop sharing our movie BUT DON'T DELETE THE FILE !
You need to turn off your torrent application, and delete the torrent file BUT NOT THE MOVIE FILE ! YOU MUST KEEP THAT !
BECAUSE WE SAY SO !



TwiztedZero
Nine Zero Burp Nine Six
Premium
join:2011-03-31
Toronto, ON
kudos:5

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis can kill evidence.