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yahtzee
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What to check for a tiny leak in a 18month old washer?

We have a Maytag Bravos XL washer that we got from Home Depot in October of 2011. My wife noticed that there was a small (1/4 cup) amount of water under the unit today...the hoses are fine and they arent leaking at all (stainless steel). What else should I check? Maytag only has a one year warranty (which blows) so I am trying to avoid a trip charge if I can...Thanks in advance.

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alkizmo

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Did you buy it with a credit card? Credit cards tend to have an added warranty on all purchases (double manufacturer's warranty up to a year extra).


lutful
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said by yahtzee:

there was a small (1/4 cup) amount of water under the unit today...the hoses are fine and they arent leaking at all (stainless steel). What else should I check?

Just a hunch. On some washer models, there is a separate valve and small plastic hose to dissolve the detergent. That could be leaking but you will need to open the top to check it.


yahtzee
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Home Depot credit card and then paid it off.
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yahtzee
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Open the top as in remove screws and remove the assembly or open the lid?
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Clear water is hard to trace.
This is what I would do to trace a leak in my dishwasher.

Take off the lower kick plate so you can see under the dishwasher.
Start/run and empty load.
Once the water is full and just starts to wash...open the door and add several drops of food coloring or a simple package of koolaid (add your own sugar type) bright red color or dark blue.
Then let it run for a bit and discharge the water and stop the cycle.

This should help you locate the drip/leak.

This may be as simple as a door gasket getting dried out and not sealing, but until you trace the leak it will be hard.

Best of luck.

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washer...dishwasher...clothes washer...same difference right


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Make sure the drain hose is attached all the way around. We had the hose become loose from the elbow that goes in the standpipe, and water started leaking from that point.



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A quarter cup is not a lot of water. Is there any chance this might have been condensation (high humidity / cold washer) ? I know it is a low probability but I want to throw out the idea that it may not be a defect before you start disassembling the washer in search of a leak that doesn't exist.
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yahtzee
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Interesting findings tonight...after my wife ran a load earlier and told me about it I came here....After the comments here I went snooping with a light. Had her hold the washer on it's side and it appeared to have water droplets slung down the back left corner...It's near where all of the hoses join. Check all hoses into the elbows and everything....all snug. In fact, it looks spotless in there (it is only 18 months old). I started a light load of wash and noticed that it appeared to sling water around the inside square enclosure of the washer (which is obviously exposed to the ground).....no hoses are loose, the load ran fine but that little bit of water still came out of the bottom...see pics above....I dont mind making a service call but wasn't sure if there was anything else to check.
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lutful
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said by yahtzee:

Open the top as in remove screws and remove the assembly or open the lid?

The manual (and youtube videos) will show how easy it is to remove the control panel cover and tilt the whole front cover of the washer to expose the guts. It is actually not that difficult because I did it once and I am a total kludge when it comes to fixing mechanical stuff.

However, please check for simple condensation as leibold See Profile suggested first and if that is not the root cause, then proceed to the colored water test before opening the cover.

For the color test, if leaked water is still clear, and there is no wetness around main hose, it is most likely that valve/hose for dissolving detergent.

*** I did not see your photos before writing this reply. You should definitely do the color test and check if the water droplets on the washer body are clear or colored.


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Is that green color on the clamps corrosion from getting wet or something else?
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said by yahtzee:

I started a light load of wash and noticed that it appeared to sling water around the inside square enclosure of the washer (which is obviously exposed to the ground).....no hoses are loose, the load ran fine but that little bit of water still came out of the bottom

Check the exploded parts diagram for the location of the anti-siphon aka vacuum breaker. I just had a similar issue with my ancient Maytag ... nuisance water dripping but no great threat. It was a $10 part.
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yahtzee
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I guess I am confused with the water test....the inside back of the enclosure is wet with droplets...not just one area....Based on what I see the only thing colored water would do is to give better visibility on the water that I already know exists...
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yahtzee
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Not corrosion....just the color of the clamp.
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lutful
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said by yahtzee:

only thing colored water would do is to give better visibility on the water that I already know exists...

If the water droplets are still clear, you know some valve/fitting/hose that distribute incoming clear water to the detergent basket or top of washer drum is leaking.

If the water droplets are colored, some valve/fitting/hose on the water exit path near the bottom is leaking. It is also possible that some colored water is spraying out from top of drum during rapid spinning.


yahtzee
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Thanks. Seems odd that water would get thrown around the outer part of the tub as it's totally exposed through the enclosure to the ground. I'll give this a shot. Thanks.
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yahtzee
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So check this out.....attempting the food color test and before I can even get the tub filled up I notice something...When the water is coming into the basket it looks like it's hitting the spinning top part...water is definitely going behind it...question is, is there an enclosed section around the basket that the extra runoff water goes to?

»www.darylwatkins.com/washer.MOV

Last question, when putting the food coloring in do I put it in the fill, wash, rinse or spin? It's a HE washer so the tub never actually fills and surrounds the clothes.
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said by lutful:

said by yahtzee:

there was a small (1/4 cup) amount of water under the unit today...the hoses are fine and they arent leaking at all (stainless steel). What else should I check?

Just a hunch. On some washer models, there is a separate valve and small plastic hose to dissolve the detergent. That could be leaking but you will need to open the top to check it.

it could be clogged too, don't know your specific model, but, on my Duet, the detergent drawer pulls out, and it is easy enough to clean it.
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robxr4ti

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said by lutful:

said by yahtzee:

Open the top as in remove screws and remove the assembly or open the lid?

The manual (and youtube videos) will show how easy it is to remove the control panel cover and tilt the whole front cover of the washer to expose the guts. It is actually not that difficult because I did it once and I am a total kludge when it comes to fixing mechanical stuff.

It's the putting it all back together part that doesn't quite work out


yahtzee
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Just watched an entire fill, wash and rinse cycle....I put blue water in just as it finished filling. Never saw any blue water. The only time water came of the bottom of the washer was during the rinse cycle. The washer gushed water into both the bleach dispenser (which there was none in) and the fabric softener dispenser (also didnt have any in). As it shot water into it both of them seemed to overflow and that's when the water came out of both bottom corners of the washer....now what?
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said by yahtzee:

When the water is coming into the basket it looks like it's hitting the spinning top part...water is definitely going behind it...question is, is there an enclosed section around the basket that the extra runoff water goes to?

Don't have your exact model but did have the same problem. Turned out to be a leak where the hot and cold inlet hoses meet at the mixing valve (just before the chute that fills the tub)... the hot was dripping on the top edge of the tub and when the tub would spin, would throw water against the inside of the enclosure and drip onto the floor. Discovered when I noticed 'cold water washes' had no leak, while 'hot water washes' had a small puddle under the washer. Just food for thought.


yahtzee
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UPDATE: Just took top apart again and removed the small bleach and softener basins....blew them out to ensure all is clear....when water goes into them it overflows...that is where the water comes from...no idea what to try next.
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next step is photos



yahtzee
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of what?


lutful
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reply to yahtzee

said by yahtzee:

The washer gushed water into both the bleach dispenser (which there was none in) and the fabric softener dispenser (also didnt have any in). As it shot water into it both of them seemed to overflow and that's when the water came out of both bottom corners of the washer....now what?

You could rotate the water supply valves to reduce the pressure.


yahtzee
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hmmm...not a bad idea at all...it would reduce the overall pressure right? not just coming into the bleach and softener bins.
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I scanned through the thread and didn't see a model number. Did or could you post it?



yahtzee
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said by robbin:

I scanned through the thread and didn't see a model number. Did or could you post it?

Sure...guess that would help....MVWB850YW0. Thanks.
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Post some pics of the top of the dispensers that are leaking. From looking at the parts diagrams it appears that these dispensers are open top. If they overflow they should just drain into the tub. My guess is that they are loose or that they should be sealed to the inside top of the washer.

Parts diagram

»c.searspartsdirect.com/lis_png/P···0001.png

Parts list

»www.searspartsdirect.com/partsdi···63/00001

It appears that you are talking about some combination of parts 21 - 26. What I can't tell from the diagram is how they install and what type of seal should be keeping them from leaking through the cutouts of the part #2 top of washer.

[edit] it wouldn't hurt to take one of those dispensers back out and take a few pics from different angles and post them.



yahtzee
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said by lutful:

You could rotate the water supply valves to reduce the pressure.

This was it! Service came out and there was nothing wrong with the washer....the pressure was too much. Turned it down a bit and all is well. Thanks.
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