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| JF tweeted this:
"Now I know why Tamir abruptly left the room a while back and left his laptop here"
Tamir's the staff lawyer for CIPPIC, and is at the wireless hearings right now - he presented with Lindsey from OpenMedia.
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How significant is this? |
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Voltage's job just got a whole lot more complicated and expensive. |
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said by Perma:How significant is this?
Very.
They have full intervenor status. CIPPIC got partial intervenor status in the BMG case.
As InvalidError said, this is going to cost Voltage a lot more money, and frankly, it's looking like Voltage won't get subscriber info.
Voltage has 2 options:
1. Pay off Teksavvy's costs, and run.
2. Go to the evidence hearing, and with the lack of good solid evidence, get it (and all of Canipre's evidence), thrown out.
If this case goes to evidence, and the evidence gets tossed, Distributel's case is going to get tossed as well.
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| said by resa1983:said by Perma:How significant is this?
Very. They have full intervenor status. CIPPIC got partial intervenor status in the BMG case. As InvalidError said, this is going to cost Voltage a lot more money, and frankly, it's looking like Voltage won't get subscriber info. Voltage has 2 options: 1. Pay off Teksavvy's costs, and run. 2. Go to the evidence hearing, and with the lack of good solid evidence, get it (and all of Canipre's evidence), thrown out. If this case goes to evidence, and the evidence gets tossed, Distributel's case is going to get tossed as well. 2) Add pay TSI's costs, CIPPICs costs, and run the risk of a bona fide defense being that much stronger next time they poke their heads out.
They're really between a rock and a hard place legally.
The Distributel case won't get tossed if Voltage turns tail and runs though... in that case Distributel will have to fight but they can use all the arguments that were to be presented by CIPPIC. |
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said by Perma:How significant is this?
Very.
They took a gamble.
They got lucky.
It will pay off.
Rejoice.
Break out the wine.
Sing, dance and... |
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said by JMJimmy:said by resa1983:said by Perma:How significant is this?
Very. They have full intervenor status. CIPPIC got partial intervenor status in the BMG case. As InvalidError said, this is going to cost Voltage a lot more money, and frankly, it's looking like Voltage won't get subscriber info. Voltage has 2 options: 1. Pay off Teksavvy's costs, and run. 2. Go to the evidence hearing, and with the lack of good solid evidence, get it (and all of Canipre's evidence), thrown out. If this case goes to evidence, and the evidence gets tossed, Distributel's case is going to get tossed as well. 2) Add pay TSI's costs, CIPPICs costs, and run the risk of a bona fide defense being that much stronger next time they poke their heads out. They're really between a rock and a hard place legally. The Distributel case won't get tossed if Voltage turns tail and runs though... in that case Distributel will have to fight but they can use all the arguments that were to be presented by CIPPIC. No, Distributel's case won't get tossed if Voltage runs. It will get tossed if Voltage sticks around, gets their evidence tossed, and loses.
Both companies used Canipre, and Barry Logan.
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said by resa1983:No, Distributel's case won't get tossed if Voltage runs.
I thought that's what I said...  |
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This is good news but I really want this to get in front of a judge, we need these laws to be tested and everyone's roles and responsibilities from user to ISP clearly defined.
Copyright violation and bittorents is a legal issue in an uncomfortable grey area and legit right's holders shouldn't be forgotten.
Voltage of course is none of that, they're just a pack of slimy trolls trying to make their worthless movies profitable (hint guys; make good movies that people want to pay for). The lack of a C&D after how many months now? makes that painfully obvious.
What I would love to see is Voltage bullheadedly plugging on and a judge telling them in no uncertain terms that they have nothing and will get nothing creating a precedent that kills trolls dead in Canada. |
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| said by Dr Facts :What I would love to see is Voltage bullheadedly plugging on and a judge telling them in no uncertain terms that they have nothing and will get nothing creating a precedent that kills trolls dead in Canada. Like the judge in California who destroyed one of those John/Jane Doe cases, citing something like a dozen reasons why the plaintiff's case was invalid including some illegal and potentially criminal actions (some of the copyrights the lawfirm was trying to defend was from owners who never agreed to join their case, which the judge said could be perceived as conspiring to commit fraud) from the lawfirm.
That ruling will make blanket copyright defense as a business model a whole lot more complicated, expensive and dangerous in the USA if it gets upheld by other courts if/when challenged. |
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So more less, voltage attempted to extort money but most likely will end up paying money. |
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said by InvalidError:said by Dr Facts :What I would love to see is Voltage bullheadedly plugging on and a judge telling them in no uncertain terms that they have nothing and will get nothing creating a precedent that kills trolls dead in Canada. Like the judge in California who destroyed one of those John/Jane Doe cases, citing something like a dozen reasons why the plaintiff's case was invalid including some illegal and potentially criminal actions (some of the copyrights the lawfirm was trying to defend was from owners who never agreed to join their case, which the judge said could be perceived as conspiring to commit fraud) from the lawfirm. That ruling will make blanket copyright defense as a business model a whole lot more complicated, expensive and dangerous in the USA if it gets upheld by other courts if/when challenged. Yup.. That was after the judge asked for information on "Alan Cooper", them trying to recuse the judge off the case, denied having judge recuse, withdrawing the case, and the judge going "nono, we're not done here. Show up to this hearing or else."
Feb 19, Pietz (defendant lawyer) gets to do a brief about why there should be sanctions, and then the hearing is Mar 11 I think? At which point I hope the Judge recommends disbarrment, and tosses Gibbs in jail so he can't take off to Mexico, like Lutz did.
That entire this is going to be popcorn-worthy.
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| reply to Perma
Who has said they have to pay anything? |
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»www.cippic.ca/en/donate |
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said by bbiab:Who has said they have to pay anything?
They will need to pay Teksavvy costs.
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said by resa1983:said by bbiab:Who has said they have to pay anything?
They will need to pay Teksavvy costs. wow...wasn't TSI's cost's to date $190,000? The voltage number crunchers will be working overtime, weighing the possible advantages of continuing on. will be interesting to see what their next move will be. |
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said by bbiab:Is it a given they will be directed accordingly at some point?
It may have been part of the deal beforehand: Give us time to inform our customers, and pay our costs, and WE won't fight it.
If that's so... *snickers*
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