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markbot

join:2012-11-21
New York, NY

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community broadband is communist

Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up coffee shops. Imagine if they subsidized these businesses with public tax dollars to drive private businesses OUT of business. This could be considered communist...communism is a failure of epic proportions.

The state then starts to increase your taxes to pay for these enterprises. The state sets up restaurants, hospitals, cable news channels, electronic manufacturers....all subsidized with public tax dollars to drive out private businesses. The state raises your taxes to 90% to provide you with all these services. You then have to work for one of these state owned businesses because they are the only thing left. It even stops paying u a salary..instead u get a tax deductible voucher to purchase goods and services from other state owned companies.

Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?!


Alex J

@184.105.146.x
Ignoring the false and rather juvenile suggestion that a town wanting to improve itself is "communism" and would result in a hysterical takeover of the universe -- there's a very simple solution for carriers to prevent this from happening: offer better services.


Bill Neilson
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reply to markbot
said by markbot:

Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up coffee shops.

The fact that you use a coffee shop to compare that situation to this shows how little you have to back up your argument.

And yet again, why are you running to the most extreme part of this argument? Did anyone say they want the government involved in EVERY BUSINESS AT EVERY CORNER? Of course not.

When private sectors completely ignore residents, the cities SHOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION to build if they want to....why is that so hard to understand?


firephoto
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reply to markbot
said by markbot:

Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?!

Yes, you equate consumer comfort markets (except the hospital) with vital needs to communities.

Private hospitals making money, making so much money that they can pay investors, lobby governments, manipulate what medical procedures are given, all at the cost of peoples health and lives. (that's problem #2). It's the perfect example of something the government should be doing but the private medical industry is so entrenched that they can manipulate the industry to make government institutions look bad and get vocal people to believe it.

You also take the common tactic and Ignore the fact that an internet connection is a utility and this fact is only masked by billions of dollars spent by private companies to keep it from being an expected service and forever being just a privilege.
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Kearnstd
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You have failed.

First off coffee shops have competition and they do not have an artificially protected market. Anybody can buy or lease a location and try and make a successful shop.

Also non private hospitals and health care would be a boon for this country. We are the only modern nation that has slaved its well being to the whim of the shareholders.
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TechnoGeek

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reply to markbot
Please explain what town does not have at least 5 coffee shops.

However, what is someone to do when they cannot get broadband...at all? Who would the "government" be competing with? Obviously, no one is providing service, so there is no competition.

Also, this is more a local government action than a state or federal action. Generally, it takes the form of a public-private cooperative, so it's not even fully government-controlled.

patcat88

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Jamaica, NY
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reply to markbot
said by markbot:

Imagine if the state were to start competing with private businesses by setting up police stations. Imagine if they subsidized these businesses with public tax dollars to drive private security businesses OUT of business. This could be considered communist...communism is a failure of epic proportions.

.......

Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?!

fixed it for ya

markbot

join:2012-11-21
New York, NY
reply to Alex J
i'm just giving other examples of this situation...what ifs on other private businesses.

markbot

join:2012-11-21
New York, NY
reply to patcat88
good one, but in this case a private business has already set up the enterprise....which later on is deemed vital and then the govt effectively destroys the private business and takes over the industry. sound familiar???!?!?!?


jfleni

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To all morons who really don't understand COMMUNIST:

Just imagine Dunkin Dognuts paying off local commisar-politicians to disapprove business licenses for any other coffee shop, and at the same time, legally limiting the number of coffee shops (only one in each area) so Dunkin get all the business!

When that happens, come back and start yelling COMMUNIST again!


DataRiker
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reply to markbot
said by markbot:

Do you see the problem now?!?!?!?!

Which is worse, A private company writing its own laws or community broadband?

openbox9
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The politicians that vote arguably questionable legislation into law?


DataRiker
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said by openbox9:

The politicians that vote arguably questionable legislation into law?

WHAT?

openbox9
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You suggested that corporations somehow magically create laws, which isn't accurate. They may influence legislation, but ultimately the laws come from our elected officials. The legislators are to blame, plain and simple.


KrK
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reply to jfleni
That however would actually be called Deregulation and "Leveling the Playing field" in most states.


DataRiker
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reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:

You suggested that corporations somehow magically create laws

They use money. No magic needed or implied.

When corporate influence gets to the point that people are demonizing community works without being shamed we should question if Corporatism is working.

Problem is we have such a top heavy federal tax. If it were removed, then communities would not have to grovel to get their own money back, or face stigmas when trying to IMPROVE life for its local residents.

Kearnstd
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reply to markbot
said by markbot:

good one, but in this case a private business has already set up the enterprise....which later on is deemed vital and then the govt effectively destroys the private business and takes over the industry. sound familiar???!?!?!?

Sounds like the Rural Electrification Act.

The government stepped in and did what private industry would not because private industry cares more about their stock price than their customers.

If the REA never happened I bet midwestern farms would still be waiting for electricity.
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openbox9
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reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:

They use money. No magic needed or implied.

Great, corporations use money. Who ultimately has the power to vote a bill into law?


DataRiker
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Have you ever considered these politicians get elected with Corporate cash and influence with false promises?

Kind of defeats your whole implied argument.

Kearnstd
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except now with SuperPACs we do not even know exactly where every single billion has come from. If I remember correctly, Unlike normal campaign donations a superPAC does not have to say who gives them money.
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Probitas

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reply to markbot
There are a lot of good things about communism that have nothing to do with business, like providing medical care and drugs to people that need them without driving burying them in bills, or refusing them treatment, unless you think providing people with healthcare should be considered a business and not something normally provided by the state anyway.

This is a typical knee-jerk response you normally hear from Republican talking heads. If there was adequate service and reasonable fees, there would be no need for alternatives. I blame Capitalism for that. No offense, but the drive to prevent competition and force everyone to pay the same exorbitant prices for services is almost Communism in practice anyway, that is what preventing choices does. One religion, one store, one provider. Sounds like China to me.

openbox9
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reply to DataRiker
It doesn't defeat anything. It demonstrates that we're lazy, ignorant, and that maybe things aren't bad enough yet since we continue electing these public servants back into office. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me?


DataRiker
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lay people have very little influence on who runs for political office. In both time and money.

The whole political system has been perverted. The system was never designed for people to have great concern for who they elect to federal office as they had little or no power over their day to day lives.

People can not be expected to tightly watch or regulate federal politicians. It is not practical.

openbox9
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said by DataRiker:

lay people have very little influence on who runs for political office. In both time and money.

Huh? Maybe not who runs, but if they vote, they sure as hell have influence on who is elected.
said by DataRiker:

People can not be expected to tightly watch or regulate federal politicians.

And that's the laziness that I referenced. If we don't care, we deserve what we get.


DataRiker
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No, I don't think you understand. It is not possible for any normal working person to "keep watch" on federal elected officials.

The original intent was to have social and economic issues handled at the local and state level, where constituents can monitor their elected officials.

Having federal officials make the lion share of public policy is a massive failure, and always will be.

Nobody has the time nor the energy to track and understand all federal laws and regulations.

Your just giving a dumb cliche response.

dra6o0n

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Mississauga, ON
reply to jfleni
What's very common is that Americans can't tell the difference between communism and socialism.

dra6o0n

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Mississauga, ON
reply to Probitas
Dude, that's called socialism, or something else since there's so many terms out there.
Definitely not communism.

dra6o0n

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At times like these I'll laugh very hard if North Korea does end up nuking the USA...

It'll give people a change of view and most especially an excuse for everyone to seriously attack N. Korea.

And no, N. Korea fits into dictatorship, not communism like China.
Plus China is changing in their own ways, so it's not the same communism you would have known.

Russia is getting off worse apparently, because their economy recovered, but it costs the people their livelihood. Dictatorship/Communism much?


djm61
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reply to markbot
I am dumbfounded! Are you really that dense?

openbox9
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reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:

Having federal officials make the lion share of public policy is a massive failure, and always will be.

I agree with that. Keep the Feds where they belong. Aren't we discussing a state in this thread though?