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dennismurphy
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Pressure washing & resanding paver walkways

Hello all -

I've got a paver walkway.

I've also got a fancy new power washer and surface cleaner.

I decided to try using the washer & surface cleaner on the pavers.

WOW!

They really look fantastic. Many years of grime and ick went washing away right away .... as did the sand between the pavers.

The pavers are not loose and are sitting tight in the bed; what I need to do is replace the sand between them. Still don't feel that's a bad thing since the surface washer also washed out all the moss and junk between the pavers.

What kind of sand is recommended? Anything more than sweeping the sand into the gaps or do I need to "tamp it down" or anything like that?

The driveway is also all pavers, and I figured I'd start "small" with the walkway before I move on to the driveway.

BTW, I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend the surface cleaner! Some formerly really slimy concrete on the north side of the house is now bright white ... and it was easy as pie to do. Much, much faster than just using the wand.

Badonkadonk
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We use polymeric sand. It's a little more expensive, but we think it's better. It basically becomes like grout (although it can and still does wash away after a number of years.

I think you should tamp it down. Rent one of the professional ones and use the polymeric sand.
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reply to dennismurphy
I definitely agree with the use of polymeric sand, the expense is certainly worth it in the long run. Tamping really won't do any good because the pavers are already set and they won't settle any more. Just spread the sand, sweep away the lose the loose sand, and then use a water hose to settle it. Depending on how deep the original sand was removed, you may need to do this twice.


dennismurphy
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said by Msradell:

I definitely agree with the use of polymeric sand, the expense is certainly worth it in the long run. Tamping really won't do any good because the pavers are already set and they won't settle any more. Just spread the sand, sweep away the lose the loose sand, and then use a water hose to settle it. Depending on how deep the original sand was removed, you may need to do this twice.

That's been my take - the pavers aren't loose in any way so I wasn't sure if I had to tamp them down or not.

I'll get through this wet weekend and hopefully next weekend get the polymeric sand spread.

Once I get the walkway done, I'm going to repeat the exercise on the (much larger) driveway. Sounds like a problem for warmer weather though

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I think you can do it either way in your case but tamping will make the job go faster. The tamping machine will vibrate the pavers so you get the cracks full. Sweep it in and you might have to do it a number of times as the sand works it's way to a compacted state.

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Tamping wasn't really for securing the block more where it is, but rather to cause the polymeric to really compress and sit tight against the pavers. Basically, the entire work is jammed tightly together to prevent movement. We just had a boat load of work (and expense) done this past fall and the installers did just that and explained that it was so that everything stayed packed tight.

You don't have to go that route and many don't. But it's been very effective for us and this installer does very good work. We had some major work done a few years ago (by the same company using the same method) and nothing has shifted in the entire time. Well, there was one block at the end of a stretch that moved. But, for 99.9 percent of the project everything was tight.

I've got pictures posted on the forums here of the work in process for both stages of our project. Everything still looks identical and is in great shape.
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VioletVenom
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We have a small patio with pavers. After a year or so, heavy rain and some flooding, we lost some of the polymeric sand (between the cracks). I had some left over from the original job and just swept it back into the cracks with a push broom. It didn't last that long and washed away. Goober's suggestion might give you more mileage on sand retention.

Badonkadonk
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That's really what the issue is. Sand retention more so than block movement.
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I think the important thing to remember about sand is that it is angular and not spherical. Therefore it does not automatically achieve a compacted shape. If it is not compacted and therefore locked together then it will erode very easily.


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reply to dennismurphy
You don't want to use a 'tamping' machine (presuming you do)...you want to use a vibrating plate compactor.

Two different beasties...!

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Funny. The installer guy said the exact same thing in almost the exact same words when he was explaining it to us.

said by John Galt:

You don't want to use a 'tamping' machine (presuming you do)...you want to use a vibrating plate compactor.

Two different beasties...!

I agree. That's the correct terminology. I was just assuming that's what was meant. That's probably not a good thing to do since a person may go out and get the wrong thing.

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robbin
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said by John Galt:

You don't want to use a 'tamping' machine (presuming you do)...you want to use a vibrating plate compactor.

Two different beasties...!

Thanks John -- I knew that wasn't quite right.


dennismurphy
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reply to Badonkadonk
said by Badonkadonk:

Funny. The installer guy said the exact same thing in almost the exact same words when he was explaining it to us.

said by John Galt:

You don't want to use a 'tamping' machine (presuming you do)...you want to use a vibrating plate compactor.

Two different beasties...!

I agree. That's the correct terminology. I was just assuming that's what was meant. That's probably not a good thing to do since a person may go out and get the wrong thing.

Great advice guys! This is why this forum rocks ...

I'll look into renting said vibrating plate. I used the word 'tamping' but had a picture of a vibrating plate compressor in mind!

These are nice enough pavers that I'd like to keep them that way!


VioletVenom
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Originally, when we built the patio a vibrating plate compactor was used during the process. First to compact the 4" bed of polymeric sand and then as a last step when pavers and crack sand had been laid. With the lay of the land in our application the patio is actually below grade of the lawn.

Old house, built in the late 40's, at some point Harry homeowner built an addition on the back of the house. They didn't take many things into account, one of them being the grade around the house. Even though they stepped up from the original slab about 3", it wasn't high enough. The back yard slopes down into the addition so water mitigation is a bitch. The new patio helps with keeping water away from the house. Coupled with a drainage system installed in the yard, sump pump jets water out to the street. After storms washed the sand from the patio's cracks we put a drain into the patio and that has helped the situation. So, long story short (tldr) YMMV.