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Re: ATF Wants Massive Online Database to Find Out Your Friends! said by antdude:http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/atf-database/ from »hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1755212
"The ATF doesn’t just want a huge database to reveal everything about you with a few keywords. It wants one that can find out who you know. And it won’t even try to friend you on Facebook first..."
They want to pay someone to create the database, not to create it themselves. quote:
According to a recent solicitation from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the bureau is looking to buy a “massive online data repository system” for its Office of Strategic Intelligence and Information (OSII). The system is intended to operate for at least five years, and be able to process automated searches of individuals, and “find connection points between two or more individuals” by linking together “structured and unstructured data.”
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The bureau is seeking to buy an existing database system and not fund the development of a completely new one. And it has to be reliable and work all the time. That includes 24-hour tech support for agents pulling those coffee-fueled all-nighter investigations. It’s also not an anti-terrorism tool and isn’t intended to “quickly respond to problems, threats, etc.”
Which means tax money will go to ATF to pay to a private vendor to create a database of information from other public and private sources. In other words, the information will be available to the private sector. Not you and me, of course, but those with enough $ to make money off it.
"And this special offer on Lawnboy mowers isn't just available to YOU!!. It's also available to your friends JIM, GLADYS, OCCUPANT, AND AUNT ETHEL!!!. Here are their phone numbers -- CALL THEM NOW WHILE SUPPLIES LAST!!" |
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kudos:3 | said by fatness:, but those with enough $ to make money off it.
Ahh but thats capitalism. Let it flourish. |
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kudos:14 | That's a paid government handout to larger businesses. |
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| Yes, in terms of taxpayer money, taxpayer privacy, lack of taxpayer access to compiled data, and increased scrutiny of taxpayers as a result of the data compilation.
Plus more targeted ads!!!!
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| Sure. In other words you (the taxpayer) pays to have the gummint pay someone else to gather and collate data about you (the taxpayer).
Or, if you prefer, you can give it to them for free via Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter etc. But you'll pay anyway (via taxes).
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said by StuartMW:.....Or, if you prefer, you can give it to them for free via Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter etc. But you'll pay anyway (via taxes).
I don't give them squat unless they're interested in things like my dog eating a package of Peeps or pooping in the bathroom inappropriately (most of my friends are dog people, so that takes up most of our conversations).
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| said by La Luna:...unless they're interested in things like my dog eating a package of Peeps... Well if a law is ever passed making feeding dogs Peeps illegal they'll know where to find you.
And that's the point. One can never know how all this information will be used against you sometime in the future.
Here's a specific example for you. Suppose you apply for some job but the employer hates dogs. In this day and age they'll find your FB page. You'll never know, if you don't get the job, whether that was a factor or not.
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said by fatness: ... tax money will go to ATF to pay to a private vendor to create a database of information from other public and private sources. In other words, the information will be available to the private sector. Not you and me, of course, but those with enough $ to make money off it.
Government doesn't have to build dossiers when they can simply buy them from private businesses whose data collection, analysis, indexing and retention dwarfs that of the government.
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| said by EGeezer:said by fatness: ... tax money will go to ATF to pay to a private vendor to create a database of information from other public and private sources. In other words, the information will be available to the private sector. Not you and me, of course, but those with enough $ to make money off it.
Government doesn't have to build dossiers when they can simply buy them from private businesses whose data collection, analysis, indexing and retention dwarfs that of the government. There's truth in what you said, but the government does have information (regarding previous arrests, investigations, associations, evidence, etc.) that private businesses don't have and are not much interested in for pushing their advertising.
Combining the 2 sources seems to be the goal here. Which means that criminal-related stuff will be given to a private vendor or vendors to compile with the rest of the stuff.
No doubt security for this directory will be top notch. The request is not only for a database but for full-time 24-hour tech support as well. I'm sure all the tech support people will be highly trained, highly paid, thoroughly dedicated, and will pass all required security checks. And I'm sure that the information will be closely safeguarded to make sure only those authorized to view it will have it. Meaning, the data won't be secure, and whoever offers someone enough money will get access to it.
Wait til the tech support is outsourced.
Wait til the lobbyists get through convincing the government to use the database for A or B reasons (MPAA and RIAA purposes for example) and convincing the government to exempt X and Y from any investigation resulting from information in the database (for example, the ATF is currently prohibited by law from creating any database to track gun sales, despite the fact that doing so is part of their job).
This database will be an industry dream and a security wreck. And tax money will pay for it.
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| said by fatness:...I'm sure all the tech support people will be highly trained, highly paid, thoroughly dedicated, and will pass all required security checks. And I'm sure that the information will be closely safeguarded to make sure only those authorized to view it will have it. My sarcasm detector just pegged at 100% 
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| I picture 2 things:
1. Data security along the lines of the "top secret" information Bradley Manning supposedly got from a "top secret" government network. 200,000 people had access to the information in that network.
2. Conversations like this.
Hello, I'm Brad with Tech Support. To whom am I speaking and how may I help you?
This is the FBI.
Please hold for a minute while I confirm something.
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OK, I see that you are running Windows FBI. May I ask which Service Pack? This call may be monitored for quality assurance purposes I must add.
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so.....should i drop the normal "ass....u....me" rule.....and accept the fact that "DOGPILE" is your preferred search motor? |
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said by StuartMW:said by La Luna:...unless they're interested in things like my dog eating a package of Peeps... Well if a law is ever passed making feeding dogs Peeps illegal they'll know where to find you. And that's the point. One can never know how all this information will be used against you sometime in the future. Here's a specific example for you. Suppose you apply for some job but the employer hates dogs. In this day and age they'll find your FB page. You'll never know, if you don't get the job, whether that was a factor or not. I know that's a hypothetical situation, but frankly, if that's the way they felt about dogs (for example), I wouldn't want to work there anyway! So maybe it works in FAVOR some of the time.
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said by Phoenix22:so.....should i drop the normal "ass....u....me" rule.....and accept the fact that "DOGPILE" is your preferred search motor?
Haven't resorted to that yet, but I'll check it out. |
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