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Xstar_Lumini

join:2008-12-14
Canada
kudos:2

2 Gbs Down/1 Gbs Up For $51 A Month

Japan has rolled out a faster than Google Fiber internet in Tokyo and eventually the whole country. 6 Tokyo districts already have the service. It costs $51 a month with a 2-year contract, taxes and moden/gear included in the price, the cap limit will be 7,000 Gigabytes a month.

Right now I have 33/2 speeds and a cap of 150 Gigabytes for $76 with Rogers... oh and no fiber yet.


Maxx2006

join:2013-02-02
Cambridge, ON
kudos:2
Wow we can only wish, it is by a Sony supported ISP.

JAC70

join:2008-10-20
canada
reply to Xstar_Lumini
You neglected to mention the $540 installation fee.

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2
reply to Xstar_Lumini
You're paying them for a service you're not happy with. That's why they are getting away with it.


J E F F
Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
Premium
join:2004-04-01
Kitchener, ON
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Rogers Portable ..
reply to Xstar_Lumini
That's all good and all, but why does anyone need speeds like that?

Though I guess, "640 KB is all you'd ever need.." may apply 10 years down the road.
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If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein

Makaveli998

join:2002-04-23
reply to Xstar_Lumini
Meh!!

You will never see those speeds once you move out of japan on onto the internet.

2nd you will need an SSD to take advantage of the speeds, unless you Raid 0 hard drives. A normal HD will be bottlenecking the connection speed if you can actually get someone to upload to you at 2Gbps.

3rd the 1Gbit Nic card in your computer will also bottleneck the connection unless they are providing you with a better one with the equipment you will be renting.

Price is right tho.

I'm on rogers Extreme plus 45/4 150GB cap and with my discount I pay less than $ 40 for it

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to Xstar_Lumini
Also, it's not 2Gbps per home it's per customer segment which is likely 32-64 homes so the real world speeds that each individual customer gets will be on par with what you can get with Rogers and Bell right now.


Xstar_Lumini

join:2008-12-14
Canada
kudos:2

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said by yyzlhr:

Also, it's not 2Gbps per home it's per customer segment which is likely 32-64 homes so the real world speeds that each individual customer gets will be on par with what you can get with Rogers and Bell right now.

Bullcrap, stop defending Rogers, this would NOT be news if the speeds were not blazingly fast, fastest in the entire planet.

That's all good and all, but why does anyone need speeds like that?

Why? Because I want my movie to download in 2 seconds and not 2 minutes, how about that?

said by JAC70:

You neglected to mention the $540 installation fee.

Bringing this up is a little silly don't you think? I gave Rogers $500 in 3 months of cellphone use for simply talking on the phone from a Rogers tower in Barrie to a Rogers tower in Toronto and now you want me to curse a japanese company for charging $500 for a lifetime use of the world's fastest internet speed?


Micha3615

join:2004-08-21
Mississauga, ON
reply to yyzlhr
Where did you read that it's shared between homes?????

I can't find any information that the connection is shared, all point to dedicated to the user's home connection.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4

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reply to Xstar_Lumini
Right because the news media is always correct. The company offering this clearly states they are using GPON so it is NOT possible to deliver 2Gbps to a single residence using GPON when it's split up amongst 32-64 homes.

Also if you read the press release by the company deploying this it clearly indicates that speeds will vary depending upon congestion.

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to Micha3615
said by Micha3615:

Where did you read that it's shared between homes?????

I can't find any information that the connection is shared, all point to dedicated to the user's home connection.

Fibre is a shared medium, despite all the marketing gimmicks that MSOs like to employ.

Doesn't matter what continent you live in, you would never get 2Gbps dedicated at that pricing anywhere.

JAC70

join:2008-10-20
canada
reply to Xstar_Lumini
said by Xstar_Lumini:

said by JAC70:

You neglected to mention the $540 installation fee.

Bringing this up is a little silly don't you think? I gave Rogers $500 in 3 months of cellphone use for simply talking on the phone from a Rogers tower in Barrie to a Rogers tower in Toronto and now you want me to curse a japanese company for charging $500 for a lifetime use of the world's fastest internet speed?

Not at all. I'm not condemning the Japanese company, either. I just want you to present the whole story, without your usual spin. And if you can't find a better cell phone deal than that, well, maybe you should seek advice.


MJB

join:2012-01-29
two types of fiber to the home .... shared fiber and dedicated fiber....


Ian
Premium
join:2002-06-18
ON
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reply to yyzlhr
said by yyzlhr:

Also, it's not 2Gbps per home it's per customer segment which is likely 32-64 homes so the real world speeds that each individual customer gets will be on par with what you can get with Rogers and Bell right now.

Doubtful.

But in any case Rogers cable is subject to node congestion as well. The max rated speed is not what you get either if congestion occurs.

And the up speed is FAR faster than Rogers fastest. Even if all 64 on a node happened to be uploading at the same time for some unlikely reason.
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Xstar_Lumini

join:2008-12-14
Canada
kudos:2
Hahaha hey Ian some Roger fanboys want to make us believe that 64 grandmas in the same city block will have this ultra-fast service and be downloading movies at the same time


humanfilth

join:2013-02-14
cyber gutter
reply to Xstar_Lumini
Maybe one day Rogers will commit Seppuku for the dishonor that Rogers brings on Canadians.

/Corporations are people, my friend.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to Ian
said by Ian:

said by yyzlhr:

Also, it's not 2Gbps per home it's per customer segment which is likely 32-64 homes so the real world speeds that each individual customer gets will be on par with what you can get with Rogers and Bell right now.

Doubtful.

But in any case Rogers cable is subject to node congestion as well. The max rated speed is not what you get either if congestion occurs.

And the up speed is FAR faster than Rogers fastest. Even if all 64 on a node happened to be uploading at the same time for some unlikely reason.

If you split 2gbps amongst 32 users, that's only 64mbps on the downstream, which is something you can get with most cable providers in Canada. You are right about the upstream side though.

The only difference between this and other GPON deployments like FiOS is that they don't seem to set a speed policy on the router or ONTs so the speeds that the customer will get will vary wildly throughout the day. During peak hours most users will likely get speeds that are on par with the fastest speeds we can get here in Canada, while you'll get ridiculously fast speeds at like 5am.


Ian
Premium
join:2002-06-18
ON
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said by yyzlhr:

If you split 2gbps amongst 32 users, that's only 64mbps on the downstream, which is something you can get with most cable providers in Canada. You are right about the upstream side though.

If all 32 users max out there connection at the same time sure. Guess what speed you get with Rogers, if every person on the node is maxing out their connection?
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“Any claim that the root of a problem is simple should be treated the same as a claim that the root of a problem is Bigfoot. Simplicity and Bigfoot are found in the real world with about the same frequency.” – David Wong

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
said by Ian:

said by yyzlhr:

If you split 2gbps amongst 32 users, that's only 64mbps on the downstream, which is something you can get with most cable providers in Canada. You are right about the upstream side though.

If all 32 users max out there connection at the same time sure. Guess what speed you get with Rogers, if every person on the node is maxing out their connection?

I'm not disputing the fact that cable is susceptible to node congestion. My point is that we shouldn't read too much into this story. This company is deploying the same thing that Bell and Verizon are doing. The only thing that is different is that there are no speed policies set by the ISP on individual customers, which isn't necessarily a good thing either.


LazMan
Premium
join:2003-03-26
canada
reply to Xstar_Lumini
Economy of scale...

Japan has 4x the population of Canada, crammed into an area 1/7th the size of Ontario...

Hardly an apples to apples comparison.


mozerd
Light Will Pierce The Darkness
Premium,MVM
join:2004-04-23
Nepean, ON
Please do not let Geography get in your way and while you're at it population density -- what's that?

Insofar as Internet communications, and communications in general Japan is LIGHT YEARS ahead of every other nation on earth and they know how to exploit that to the Nth degree -- no one else comes remotely close and that includes Singapore.


J E F F
Whatta Ya Think About Dat?
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reply to LazMan
said by LazMan:

Economy of scale...

Japan has 4x the population of Canada, crammed into an area 1/7th the size of Ontario...

Hardly an apples to apples comparison.

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CFoo

join:2008-03-19
Nepean, ON
reply to yyzlhr
Even if its 64Mbps, its still is only $51/month with a 7TB bandwidth. I wouldn't mind that.

Dcite

join:2006-05-12
Mississauga, ON
At that speed, if everyone goes nuts, they would have consumed all their usage in just 10 days.

If everyone goes nuts on a 45Mbit connection with a 250GB Cap.. If the node doesn't come to a crawl. They will consume all their usage in download alone in just a bit over 12 hours.


TypeS

join:2012-12-17
London, ON
kudos:1
Reviews:
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·TekSavvy Cable
reply to JAC70
said by JAC70:

You neglected to mention the $540 installation fee.

If you order online, the installation fee is waived (so far all articles have reported that).

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:4
reply to CFoo
said by CFoo:

Even if its 64Mbps, its still is only $51/month with a 7TB bandwidth. I wouldn't mind that.

Low internet pricing is nothing new in Japan.


QuantumPimp

join:2012-02-19
Reviews:
·voip.ms
reply to yyzlhr
said by yyzlhr:

This company is deploying the same thing that Bell and Verizon are doing. The only thing that is different is that there are no speed policies set by the ISP on individual customers, which isn't necessarily a good thing either.

Ya, they have not found some magic new technology but are delivering an advanced service for a really good price. Bell and Rogers are equally capable of making a similar splash if they chose but that would just raise expectations. Follow-up would be a bitch.

Without committing to specific service levels for streaming video and telephony the whole faster access is better mentality just doesn't register. With current internet infrastructure the value of faster access diminishes, for me, at about 25M - 50M down. Others may value higher access speeds but you gotta admit that sometimes it doesn't really give much for the extra cost.

Of course I don't think service commitments are possible without also compromising net neutrality. Maybe if the entire net starts operating at multi-terabit speeds we won't see endless jitter, stuttering, and buffering messages when streaming HD. The quality is sooo close but just off a little don't ya think? Making the access network scream but without service level agreements is like meh.


CFoo

join:2008-03-19
Nepean, ON

2 edits
reply to yyzlhr
said by yyzlhr:

said by CFoo:

Even if its 64Mbps, its still is only $51/month with a 7TB bandwidth. I wouldn't mind that.

Low internet pricing is nothing new outside of Canada.

I think this is what you really meant


Xstar_Lumini

join:2008-12-14
Canada
kudos:2
reply to LazMan
said by LazMan:

Economy of scale...

Japan has 4x the population of Canada, crammed into an area 1/7th the size of Ontario...

Hardly an apples to apples comparison.

Oh shut up and stop trying to prop up canadian ISP's with these lame excuses, the GTA has 5 million people crammed into an area smaller than Lake Erie, why don't we get this service, we are as crammed as any of those japanese cities.


LazMan
Premium
join:2003-03-26
canada
said by Xstar_Lumini:

we are as crammed as any of those japanese cities.

Obviously, you've never been to Tokyo... Toronto's downright spacious compared to just about anywhere in Japan. We are NOT anywhere near as densely populated as Tokyo.

And sorry for bringing facts and logic to your lil rant.