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PL239

join:2013-06-17
Aliquippa, PA
reply to neonhomer

Re: Speaking of CB....

reply to neonhomer
It will never happen. The overwhelming majority of HAMs are complete snobs when it comes to CB Radio. Even if it cost nothing extra and it was a good radio many would boycott it..

It has absolutely nothing to do with that.
Amateur Radio only allows us as amateurs to operate our equipment on the amateur radio frequencies given to us.

we are not allowed to operate our equipment on any other radio service. This includes GMRS , LMRS , CB , MARS - this includes Fire, Police, Ambulance, Forest Fire Service what ever.

If we do get caught, we risk loosing our license.

It has nothing to do with being snobs or wanting something or not wanting something.

Most any ham radio made before 1958 that does all of the ham bands will do 11 meters - Johnson Viking Valiant is just one example.

It's not illegal for a unlicensed person to operate on 11 meters with a radio that produces more then 4 watts - as long as their equipment does not cause interference with any other radio service - including television.

But if you do cause interference and someone complains - you must open your house / station for a inspection.
When the FCC comes a knocking - you have to open the door and let them in.

There was one case here where someone was causing harmful interference to a established emergency net on the amateur radio frequencies and the FCC came ( within about 3 hours ) with 3 Federal Marshal's.

You will never hear these stories because if it is an emergency and you refuse to leave a authorized designated emergency frequency and they want it bad enough - you will find out who the FCC really is.

The bottom line is when something like that happens, they have the authority to take all of your equipment, not just the illegal equipment.
They can, and will - just take it all out into the driveway and smash it with a sledgehammer.

There is no way to regulate the Citizens Band, due to the sheer number of units produced in the last 40 + years and due to the sheer number of operators around the world.

The best thing that they could do would be to re establish the call sign system and license system and allow everyone to choose if they would like to have the license back.
Use the money from the license sales for enforcement of the rules.

If you would throw the worst offenders off the air and into jail and not have lenient judges that reduces the severity of the fines and punishment - we could clean up the airways...



DrStrange
Technically feasible
Premium
join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT
kudos:1

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Even though CB no longer requires a license, Part 95 still applies.

Transmitter power is still limited to 4 watts AM [12 watts PEP on SSB]. Only a type accepted transmitter may be used.

Doing anything else automatically voids the station's authority to operate.

Here's a somewhat instructive NAL from two years ago:
»transition.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/201···0A1.html

CB rules are here:
»www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=···&idno=47

FWIW I agree about throwing the worst offenders off the air. If the FCC made a few more examples, it would go a long way toward cleaning up the trash on 11m.

Self-policing on the amateur bands is generally working, but it takes the FCC a long time to act even when given copious evidence by several teams of OOs.


moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
reply to PL239

said by PL239:

we are not allowed to operate our equipment on any other radio service. This includes GMRS , LMRS , CB , MARS - this includes Fire, Police, Ambulance, Forest Fire Service what ever.

You can use modified amateur equipment on MARS and CAP as long as you have a license and authorization to operate there. I knew a HAM who was active using his modified 2 meter radio for MARS.

said by PL239:

It's not illegal for a unlicensed person to operate on 11 meters with a radio that produces more then 4 watts - as long as their equipment does not cause interference with any other radio service - including television.

The CFR says otherwise:

quote:
§ 95.410 (CB Rule 10) How much power may I use?
(a) Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the following values under any conditions:

AM (A3)—4 watts (carrier power) SSB—12 watts (peak envelope power)

(b) If you need more information about the power rule, see the technical rules in subpart E of part 95.

(c) Use of a transmitter which has carrier or peak envelope power in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the station.
said by PL239:

They can, and will - just take it all out into the driveway and smash it with a sledgehammer.

No, the FCC will not do that. They will take your equipment and issue a receipt. There is something called due process. And I do know of a local case where some moron with an linear amp played havoc on my TV and the local FCC knew who he was (drove a Chevy Astro van.) They raided him 2 weeks after I talked to 2 FCC guys who happened to be shopping in the CompUSA I worked at the time.

PL239

join:2013-06-17
Aliquippa, PA

Yes I did think that I mentioned MARS somewhere else- maybe you didn't read it.

Yes a non licensed person can operate on 11 meters with more then 5 watts - due to the fact that the FCC is broke and only prosecutes the worst offenders.
You practically have to interfere with a known radio service such as public service before they will do anything.

To get the FCC to do anything, you have to have recordings with date / time stamps and you have to have witnesses.
Especially for the CB radio - which is almost impossible to enforce, because there is no call signs.

Civilian Air Patrol is a real sticky maybe - due to the fact that it is not a part of Amateur Radio - and as amateurs we are not allowed to operate our equipment out of band.

The CAP is not within the amateur radio bands.
Re read the Part 97...

MARS = Military Amateur Radio Service - note the word Amateur..
Mars does require the operator - other then a military service person to be a licensed amateur.

Civilian Air patrol does not require it's licensee's to be proficient in any aspect of amateur radio, no knowledge of the rules and no amateur radio license requirement.

Technicially it is not even a radio service - just a LMRS type frequency.



drjim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
Long Beach, CA
kudos:3

Actually, it's the Military Auxiliary Radio System.
--
One man's Magic is another man's Engineering.



54067323

join:2012-09-25
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to PL239

said by PL239:

But if you do cause interference and someone complains - you must open your house / station for a inspection.
When the FCC comes a knocking - you have to open the door and let them in.

They better bring a warrant if they want in.

There was one case here where someone was causing harmful interference to a established emergency net on the amateur radio frequencies and the FCC came ( within about 3 hours ) with 3 Federal Marshal's.

said by PL239:

Yes a non licensed person can operate on 11 meters with more then 5 watts - due to the fact that the FCC is broke and only prosecutes the worst offenders.

I can only guess they must have found some instant funding that day.

They can, and will - just take it all out into the driveway and smash it with a sledgehammer.

Absolute bull crap.


DrStrange
Technically feasible
Premium
join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT
kudos:1

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said by 54067323:

said by PL239:

But if you do cause interference and someone complains - you must open your house / station for a inspection.
When the FCC comes a knocking - you have to open the door and let them in.

They better bring a warrant if they want in.

*Read 47 USC 303n. They don't need a warrant.

There was one case here where someone was causing harmful interference to a established emergency net on the amateur radio frequencies and the FCC came ( within about 3 hours ) with 3 Federal Marshal's.

said by PL239:

Yes a non licensed person can operate on 11 meters with more then 5 watts - due to the fact that the FCC is broke and only prosecutes the worst offenders.

I can only guess they must have found some instant funding that day.

**The only way anyone would show up in 3 hours is if the OOs had found the jammer 2 months ago, sent the info to the FCC, the FCC had done its field work last month and the jammer keyed his mic on the right frequency at the right time. Jammers will be found and prosecuted, but it takes a long time.

They can, and will - just take it all out into the driveway and smash it with a sledgehammer.

Absolute bull crap.


Surrendering unauthorized or illegal equipment to the FCC and allowing them to destroy it is one option. The FCC can and will go to court to seize the equipment if it isn't handed over. I'm not sure that taking it outside and bashing it with a sledgehammer constitutes proper FCC procedure, though.

Source:
»transition.fcc.gov/eb/otherinfo/inspect.html