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JAC70

join:2008-10-20
canada
reply to 34764170

Re: Rogers has a new gateway coming up! - CGN3

said by 34764170:

None of this makes any sense. They would have to deal with that with ATPIA providers anyway as well as even their own retail service. The last part especially makes no sense.

a) How are 3rd-party routers used by ATPIA customers Rogers' problem?
b) One of the main goals of IPv6 is assigning an IP to each connected device to eliminate NAT. Do you really think Rogers will balk at charging their users for each IP assigned?

yyzlhr

join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
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said by JAC70:

said by 34764170:

None of this makes any sense. They would have to deal with that with ATPIA providers anyway as well as even their own retail service. The last part especially makes no sense.

a) How are 3rd-party routers used by ATPIA customers Rogers' problem?
b) One of the main goals of IPv6 is assigning an IP to each connected device to eliminate NAT. Do you really think Rogers will balk at charging their users for each IP assigned?

I highly doubt Rogers or any MSO would get away with forcing a pay per address model on a residential internet service. Especially when we are moving into a world where one individual often owns several internet connected device.

As brad has pointed out, there's no point in adding complexity to the current product line when the money has already been spent, by stocking DOCSIS 3.0 gateways and standalone routers. The gateway can be configured to do both without issue.

Also as a former sales rep, there is an overwhelming demand from consumers for an all in one solution that the provider will support. Many customers don't even know what the term 'router' means and will not sign up if their service provider will not assist them in connecting multiple devices. MSOs are also not able to troubleshoot the myriad of 3rd party routers available on the market. Having an all in one solution allows the MSO to remotely configure and troubleshoot the device for the customer.

Although, I agree this is not the route Rogers and other MSOs should have chosen given the poor quality of the router side of all in one gateways. I think a better solution would be to provide a standalone DOCSIS 3.0 modem and then charge less tech savvy customers an additional rental fee to obtain a good standalone router that's been preloaded with some custom firmware that allows Rogers to remotely configure the device.

Unfortunately, it would not make sense to change things now with all the money they've already invested in the existing inventory of gateway equipment.

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to JAC70

said by JAC70:

a) How are 3rd-party routers used by ATPIA customers Rogers' problem?
b) One of the main goals of IPv6 is assigning an IP to each connected device to eliminate NAT. Do you really think Rogers will balk at charging their users for each IP assigned?

a) It's same basic mechanisms for how the equipment is configured whether its Rogers retail customers or ATPIA customers on Rogers network... DHCPv6/DHCPv6-PD. Just as if Rogers had some sort of implementation issues with their DHCP (v4) infrastructure that caused compatibility issues.

b) Rogers will be like any other MSO and provide at least a /64 at the absolute minimum via DHCPv6-PD; although more likely to provide a /56 if requested.