Achtzehn
join:2002-04-14
Downey, CA | reply to salahx
Re: Informed consent is not sufficient
*agrees 100%* |
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wiley post$
join:2002-01-13
who cares
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Re: Getting Old...
Perhaps Radlights creators spent one night consuming too many pan galctic gargle blasters..........heh heh 
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OrigZaphod042
Didn't You Hear? I Come In Six Packs Now
Premium
join:2001-07-22
Round Lake, IL
clubs:   | reply to salahx
Re: Informed consent is not sufficient
My thoughts exactly
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salahx
join:2001-12-03
Saint Louis, MO
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It doesn't matter if is on a 50-ft billboard, with multi-coloring blinking lights, and 100 100db speakers. The program is Behaving Badly
"IMPORTANT: You have to uninstall Ad-Aware before using RadLight" - that is questionable but tolerable.
"If it is found on the system it will be removed !!!" - that part IS NOT
NO APPLICATION, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD BE TOUCHING OTHER APPLICATIONS
Even if there were technical reasons the application was incompatible with another, application don't put a warning 'If you proceed, this application will uninstall XXX". The installer should return an error "This application is not compatible with XXX. Installation has stopped. Please fix problem, and then run Install again"
Three reasons why:
You application is a GUEST on MY COMPUTER. Looked under various version of Windows, the icons are called 'My Computer', 'My Network Places'. and so forth. My house. My rules. Don't like it? Don't enter. The installer can always quit.
Furthermore, is the application really that smart? Just look at certain broadband-providers 'install software' automatically that puts on who-knows-what crap which (all to often) usually winds up blowing up the machine 3 months later and cause the user to pay $25 for OEM tech support so they can say 'run the restore CD'. Sure, I could Ad-Aware to disable the 'bundled software' that came with the offending application. Or maybe some other application that added some 'bundled software'. However, THAT application touched it, and broke it. 'The last one who touched it gets to fix it'.
And though that EULA MIGHT protect the owners from CIVIL damages, there are state and federal laws against certain categories of malware, one may very well interpret this kind of activity a 'Trojan Horse' - the application might very well violate one of them. and the EULA does nothing for CRIMINAL damages. Even then, at least ONE AV vendor put in Gator as a Trojan Horse. Having an application on a major AV vendors detection list isn't so good for sales.
The summary:
1) Its my computer
2) The application isn't smart enough. Its bad programming.
3) The EULA means squat to state and federal DA's. The application may find its way on Symantec's, McAfee/Network Associates, or Trend Micro's pattern detection list.
This bad programming design to check for Ad-Aware prior to install. If one really feels that is necessary, print an error, then stop. There NO reason for the installer to facilitate the uninstall of another vendor's program. It is arrogant to do so. |
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Brent24
@130.14.x.x
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Re: Getting Old...
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just because they buried the wording somewhere in 2point font
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It isn't buried in a 2point font. It is all alone on a single screen with HUGE BOLD BLACK letters saying:
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"IMPORTANT: You have to uninstall Ad-Aware before using RadLight"
If it is found on the system it will be removed !!!
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There is a "back", "next" and "cancel" button at the bottom. You have the opportunity to choose which button you want to click.
I do not agree with his "tactics", but they are perfectly acceptable to me. His software IS FREE. If you had to pay for it, it would be a whole other story.
Just my opinion, take it or leave it
Thanks for listening. |
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OrigZaphod042
Didn't You Hear? I Come In Six Packs Now
Premium
join:2001-07-22
Round Lake, IL
clubs:
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That is my point. and Actually thru contract law, that is unenforceable. You can NOT, give a blanket assumption on what programs it may tamper with and expect it to hold up.
No software, should be allowed to, just because they buried the wording somewhere in 2point font tell you they are going to do it, remove anyother peice of software without MY EXPLICATE permission. That is why adware, first shows you the programs then you have to actually tell it to remove them, it doesnt do it automaticly.
I would love to take the time to take them to court on this one, first year contract law would prevail with no problem
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looser
join:2001-02-04
La Mesa, CA | reply to OrigZaphod042
They do tell you.....it's all in the legal disclaimer they have, just read the few thousand words and it's in there. So if you install it you cant sue them, because you agreed to the terms of the disclaimer. |
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OrigZaphod042
Didn't You Hear? I Come In Six Packs Now
Premium
join:2001-07-22
Round Lake, IL
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According to the document, "You are not allowed to use any third party program (e.g., Ad-aware) to uninstall application bundled with RadLight. Such programs will be removed."
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Since when does a software company have the right to tell me what or how I am allowed to remove programs from MY computer? And what gives them the right to tamper with my files? I know we've been down this path before, but this is getting old.
The lengths some company’s take to try and market their programs is out of hand.
To Me personally, any program that takes it upon itself to remove any other program without getting permission from me directly, not thru some lengthy worded license agreement, is malicious programming.
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