Turdicus Sr
Premium
join:2002-03-08
Huntsville, AL
| Arrrrrrr
Every time I hear the term "pirates" I just think about guys with a peg leg and eye patch sitting at a computer saying, "AAAARRRRR give me your software & MP3's mate or ye shall be forced to walk the plank. AARRRR." With that said and out of the way, "American innovation and creativity need to be protected by our government, just like our personal property, our homes and (our) streets need protection," said Senator Biden. I agree with the part about the homes and streets, but I don't agree with them on the government needing to protect innovation. Most of the bills being proposed end up hurting the rest of the economy and only helping the people that produce the product.
--
Kick my raccoon in the kitchen! |
|
Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
 ·Cox HSI
| said by KZfra80:
Most of the bills being proposed end up hurting the rest of the economy and only helping the people that produce the product.
If you could call it Product.I call it crap!!!!Down with the bubble gum Music  |
|
jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| If you could call it Product.I call it crap!!!!Down with the bubble gum Music
As long as there are people that think mtv is the only source of music or that the only way to get and enjoy music is to pay 20 bucks for it, there will be bubble-gum music. |
|
Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
·Cox HSI
| said by jj nobody:
As long as there are people that think mtv is the only source of music or that the only way to get and enjoy music is to pay 20 bucks for it, there will be bubble-gum music.
Yea i know its sad  Its like they put a blind fold on the people. |
|
jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Yea i know its sad Its like they put a blind fold on the people.
The RIAA and even the MPAA knows that most people will spend the 20 bucks for the cd, or the 7 bucks for the movie. There are still tons of people on dial-up and those people don't want to sit for a couple hours downloading the album when they can go to the store and pay for it... those are the people that generally feel ripped off when they listen to the album in it's entirity and find out that the song that they play on the radio 30 times a day is the only good song on the radio. In the late 80's, that's exactly what I got sick of. Buying a tape that was 12 bucks for one song that I was bored of in a week. It's really shame that history constantly repeats itself in the record and movie industry but that's how they make their money and that's how they thrive. |
|
stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| reply to Turdicus Sr
Actually promoting the purchase of media instead of pirating it helps the economy, it doesn't hurt it. And, what's wrong with helping the people that produce the product (that you seem to enjoy)? If they don't get money for their product, why should they continue making it? If they don't make it, you won't have it.
--
Some chaos is in order. |
|
Turdicus Sr
Premium
join:2002-03-08
Huntsville, AL | reply to jj nobody
What really sucked was having to fast-forward and rewind to get to that one damn song.
--
Kick my raccoon in the kitchen! |
|
stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI | reply to Jigsaw
If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
--
Some chaos is in order. |
|
slim
Premium
join:2001-02-13
Arlington, VA
| reply to stet
everyone here agrees with you, buddy.
But do you understand that they want to take away your right to make a copy for your OWN use. If the MPAA and RIAA had their way you could not:
-put music from a CD you bought onto your computer or your Mp3 player FOR YOUR OWN USE
-make a videotape of a program on TV for you and you alone to watch later
-Read e-books on a Linux box. E-books that you bought and paid for. Actaully they don't want you to do anything on a Linux box.
Everyone agrees that taking something you have not paid for is WRONG. However, once you have paid for it, you should be able to transfer it to another medium, watch and play it whenever and however you want.
The internet will soon become just another place to buy stuff.
--
Qui custodiet ipsos custodes? |
|
jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| reply to stet
If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
Well, first of all I didn't call it crap... everyone's entitled to their own personal or public opinion about what makes their ears sing... that's what makes the world go round... different strokes for different folks.
I'm also glad you brought up your second point. you're exactly right... I do believe that mainstream music today and for the greater part of 15 years has taken a huge gigantic swan dive into the virtual auditory toilet otherwise known as the RIAA musical landfill. The RIAA at this point simply does not care about who or what they release. I believe that most of the disturbing ugly musical dribble that they have released for that same period of time they simply don't care about. All they see is at least they'll get a few hundred thousand sales out of it and that'll line their pockets until christmas.
Based on that, and for the 15 years I mentioned above, I have completely turned my back on the music industry, (and lately I've been heading against the movie industry as well)... I now listen to independent music funded, arranged, mixed, and produced by independent artists that don't seem to care about how many releases they sell or how they can encrypt their release so pirates can't boot it. They're life-blood is having people listen to their music and what they have to say... therefore, they might not put as much time or money into the release, but they put more heart, soul, and effort into their release. For that, I believe that that's what music was, is, and should be. |
|
Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH | reply to stet
said by stet:
If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
I don't bother with it!!Nuff said |
|
Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
·Cox HSI
| reply to jj nobody
said by jj nobody:
If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
Well, first of all I didn't call it crap... everyone's entitled to their own personal or public opinion about what makes their ears sing... that's what makes the world go round... different strokes for different folks.
I'm also glad you brought up your second point. you're exactly right... I do believe that mainstream music today and for the greater part of 15 years has taken a huge gigantic swan dive into the virtual auditory toilet otherwise known as the RIAA musical landfill. The RIAA at this point simply does not care about who or what they release. I believe that most of the disturbing ugly musical dribble that they have released for that same period of time they simply don't care about. All they see is at least they'll get a few hundred thousand sales out of it and that'll line their pockets until christmas.
Based on that, and for the 15 years I mentioned above, I have completely turned my back on the music industry, (and lately I've been heading against the movie industry as well)... I now listen to independent music funded, arranged, mixed, and produced by independent artists that don't seem to care about how many releases they sell or how they can encrypt their release so pirates can't boot it. They're life-blood is having people listen to their music and what they have to say... therefore, they might not put as much time or money into the release, but they put more heart, soul, and effort into their release. For that, I believe that that's what music was, is, and should be.
You Hit it right on the nose jj.Thats almost to a tee my take on the whole deal.There are 100's of bands(with 4 or more Cd's out) out there doing there own cd's and promoting themself's.Those Bands IMHO can and would blow away anything the record industry could bring out(Music wise)!!!!
[text was edited by author 2002-05-03 01:13:50]
[text was edited by author 2002-05-03 01:18:05] |
|
jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| You Hit it right on the nose jj.Thats almost to a tee my take on the whole deal.There are 100's of bands(with 4 or more Cd's out) out there doing there own cd's and promoting themself's.Those Bands IMHO can and would blow away anything the record industry could bring out(Music wise)!!!!
Jigsaw, you get a thumbs up for that comment... I'm glad we feel the same way about this... and hopefully most of the other people that are contributing to this discussion, or at least reading it. The mainstream record culture practically begs alot of indie artists to sign a contract because of simply this - most music that you hear now on the radio, the style, creativity, difference (nirvana, limp bizkit, green day, downset, just to name a few), those styles of music were started years ago in the underground by indie artists that simply didn't want to sound like what was on the radio. Now it's ironic that the RIAA is bending their backs trying to sign these artists with different musical styles.
Why is the RIAA doing this? Why are they signing bands that themselves have turned their backs on the record industry? Simply stated, because the RIAA needs them... they won't admit it, but they need bands that shake and liven things up in their multi-billion dollar corporation. They simply use indie artists to fuel their company for a few more years. Then what do they do? Screw them over and grab a band that will duplicate what unique style they did and play it on the radio 20 times a day. That, in my opinion, my friend, is selling the band, not selling the product. I'll give you a couple examples...
Remember what happened to the goo goo dolls???? How they got screwed?
Remember the indie band helmet?? Basically pioneered the hard rock movement after nirvana passed in '94. Now, can you count on both hands how many bands are doing that same exact style today... the number is basically infinite. Helmet brought it from the underground into the mainstream. Where is that band today? Well, after the RIAA screwed them out of their tour dates and the basically were even worse off financially than when they were indie, they broke up.
If you're a musician, the RIAA is a brick wall... there's nothing higher, nowhere else to go. They stiffle you're creativity. Why not stay indie? The possibilities are endless
[text was edited by author 2002-05-03 15:27:28] |
|
jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| reply to stet
Actually promoting the purchase of media instead of pirating it helps the economy, it doesn't hurt it.
True as well, stet. Although, I'm not going to go out and buy a 2003 Chevy Avalanche just because they're built in detroit (at least some of it anyway) and that it'll put my 2 cents (literally) back into the economy. That's kind of like me saying I'm going to go out and buy a britney spears poster because she's a little down and out right now... I didn't make Britney poor? She hasn't helped me.
I hope that post doesn't offend anyone... |
|
babelfish5
join:2002-01-12
Phoenix, AZ
|  reply to stet
Re: Arrrrrrr - feeding the mouth that bites you
said by stet:
Actually promoting the purchase of media instead of pirating it helps the economy, it doesn't hurt it. And, what's wrong with helping the people that produce the product (that you seem to enjoy)? If they don't get money for their product, why should they continue making it? If they don't make it, you won't have it.
Please name one artist or group that was "pirated" out of the business. I haven't heard of any. I have heard of many going broke at the hands of the recording industry, shiftless agents, and lawyers. The biggest case of piracy has already been mentioned here: the co-oping of the few original artist by other artist who are corporate game players. I find it hard to believe many people are really so naive as to believe this piracy hoopla is really about the starving artists. After all, how much do they contribute to political campaigns?
When the Honorable Sen. Hollings was asked if he was influenced by campaign contributions from Enron he quipped they only gave him a small amount (about a grand, I think) and that "I'm I committee chairman. That's not a bribe, it's an insult." The truth is often said in jest.
And has anyone in the big media pointed out that high-level of entry licensing fees for internet radio, as opposed to a pure royalty model as has been historically used, would help thwart the indie business, giving fewer alternatives to corporate music? |
|
Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
 ·Qwest.net
| reply to Jigsaw
Re: Arrrrrrr
These independent artists are the ones I support.
They don't have the problem of one good song on a disk.
look at Steve Roach, Michael Stearns, Aeoliah, etc.
Granted these are far from mainstream artists but the
point is they control their music from beginning to
end, and it shows. Listen to Michael Stearns soundtrack
from documentary "The Mystery of Chaco Canyon", called
The Middle of Time, truly one of the most spritual recording in the New Age genra. If you are curious go to
»www.michaelstearns.com you can listen to samples of his recordings on RealAudio. These recording come from the
artist soul and not some turd smoking record producer |
|
Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
Premium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH
·Cox HSI
| reply to jj nobody
Well to make a long story short The music i like the record industry deems as too long and to Complex(Prog) for radio.Put it this way if you say you are a prog band 90% of the time you will be shunned by the record company's.But this is were the indi's come in Give em a fare pay and they can pretty much do whatever they want. |
|
finortis
join:2001-11-30
| reply to jj nobody
Ya know, that can be annoying. Listening to the radio, thinking a good song is comming up, and about 15 secs into it, it turns out to be some cheap immitation of the song you were thinking (that was on the radio some 10+ years ago). I usually end up changing the station then, after the disappointment of thinking it was going to be something I did like, but nooooo... Sometimes, some of the stuff that gets released today isn't the most original either, nor as enjoyable to listen to as the original song that was riped... |
|
