ArchAngel21x
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Re: Don't cut Nintendo out yet...
A friend of mine is in Japan right now, and he told me the Game Cube is doing well over there, better than the XBox no less. |
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| Of course the Xbox is losing in Japan to Japan game makers. Japanese support their on products unlike Americans. When I worked for a Japanese company in the US almost all the employees were Japanese and every one of them drove a Japanese car. My big US truck stuck out like a sore thumb hehe |
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| You know, I've noticed that support as well. Whenever I've gone to a site that was mainly Asian, all their cars were Japanese. (my big US vehicle stood out too) Come to think of it, when I go to a company that is mostly domestic workers, all their cars are Japanese too. Guess I am an eyesore no matter where I go. 
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said by ArchAngel21x:
A friend of mine is in Japan right now, and he told me the Game Cube is doing well over there, better than the XBox no less.
Your friend is wrong. GameCube has been selling just as poorly as Xbox in Japan. For months, GameCube has been selling ~10,000 consoles per week. The Xbox had an "ok" Japanese launch, but it dropped off faster than shit and is now selling about <10,000 per week. The only next generation console that's done well in Japan has been the PlayStation 2. This is nothing new though, Japanese gamers have been shunning all non-Sony consoles (with the exception of the Gameboy) since the first PlayStation was released. |
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| His friend is correct. It is doing a lot better then the XBox. Your 10,000 statement is correct for the Gamecube, but not the XBox. His friend said, "the Gamecube is doing well over there, better then the XBox no less." His friend is correct. Selling 4+ million units worldwide in only about 8-9 months is pretty impressive especially with the limited amount of games it has released. However, that number is sure to sky rocket with the release of Zelda and Mario. Sales maybe poor in your eyes, but they'll pick up with the release of these titles. Plus, the European launch is coming soon and pre-orders of around 75,000 doesn't hurt either.
Here's the article with the sales figures:
»cube.ign.com/articles/357/357591p1.html
What's funny is the Dreamcast, which is hardly being supported in Japan and is pretty much extinct in terms of developers in America is barely behind the XBox in sales. 
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w0g
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His friend is correct. It is doing a lot better then the XBox.
Actually, it's not. It's doing slightly better than Xbox Japan, but it's still pretty much a failure.
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Selling 4+ million units worldwide in only about 8-9 months is pretty impressive
PS2 sells over a million per month.
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that number is sure to sky rocket with the release of Zelda and Mario
Right. Just like how Resident Evil, a hugely popular title was supposed to boost sells and nothing moved. And just like how Shenmue and dozens of other games on the Dreamcast were supposed to boost sells and they just sunk even lower. It will take much more than Mario or Zelda to bring the GameCube up to the level it needs to be to compete with the PS2.
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Here's the article with the sales figures:
»cube.ign.com/articles/357/357591p1.html
IGNCube said: PS2: 55,000 units (total this year: 1,323,000)
Real numbers: PS2: 66,407 units (total this year: 1,419,468)
IGNCube said: GBA: 31,000 units (total this year: 969,000)
Real numbers: GBA: 38,082 units (total this year: 895,671)
IGNCube said: GameCube: 10,000 units (total this year: 510,000)
Real numbers: GameCube: 12,362 units (total this year: 387,849)
IGNCube said: PS1: 3,000 units (total this year: 74,000)
Real numbers: PS1: 4,217 units (total this year: 104,709)
IGNCube said: Xbox: 1,800 units (total this year: 169,000)
Real numbers: Xbox: 2,532 units (total this year: 195,812)
IGNCube said: WonderSwan: 2,000 units (total this year: 11,330)
Real numbers: WonderSwan: 1,980 units (total this year: 53,391)
It's really funny how IGNCube falsified every single number in favor of Nintendo's consoles. As for the Dreamcast, they completely made their numbers up. Dreamcast has been delisted from all major charts for almost a year, including the one they said was their source.
Case and point, both GameCube and Xbox are turning out to be failures, but least the Xbox has the financial backing to keep it alive through its current rough waters. GameCube will probably stick around for some time too, but it's doubtful that Nintendo will be in the hardware business after the GameCube's life span is over. |
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clubs: | You do know that Microsoft is losing money on each X-Box sell while Nintendo actually makes money per GameCube sale, right? |
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| said by urbanninja:
You do know that Microsoft is losing money on each X-Box sell while Nintendo actually makes money per GameCube sale, right?
the difference is that Bill Gates has more money than anyone can possiby imagine, and he has decided that it's worth sacrificing some of it to get his foot in the door of the console market.
if you think he will give up because of a slow start (ala dreamcast) you are sadly mistaken, he knew that he would lose money initially with this project, he just doesn't care about it in the short term... his plans are long range, and i would be surprised if he doesn't succeed.
Heck im not even close to a fan of MS (i only boot to windows at my GRUB dual-boot screen when i plan on gaming)... and even i recognize that the x-box is the most advanced console on the market. Given a little time i would not be surprised to see nintendo in trouble trying to compete with MS and Sony, they are are overmatched in this one |
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andunn
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Wow, someone seriously needs to have their eyes checked. Just had mine done last week lol |
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You don't need much to make an American car stand out. It's not that hard to find something that'll out-rumble that bumblebee sound that Japanese cars make.
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Pyrion
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Bill Gates != Microsoft. His wealth is primarily based on stock. So when Microsoft loses money, so does he.
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Pyrion
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Ever hear of "Planned Obsolescence"? It's the primary reason PlayStation 2's are selling like hotcakes. It's been out a year and people are buying their SECOND PS2 because the first one breaks down.
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Its never hard to make a loud gas-guzzling antique of a car stand out. Now when GM finally wises up like the rest of the domestic manufacturers and starts making efficient small displacement motors maybe they wont stand out AS MUCH. But you'll still be staring at the taillights of my "bumblebee" Acura as fly right by.
But back to the point .... I love Nintendo, and have since the NES days. But they haven't had any truly respectable market penetration strategies since then. They realize that they have a core market who will always buy Nintendo(like myself)and will guarantee them profit. But this could be construed as a step in the right direction. Meaning attracting non-Nintendo supporters. PS2 will still run the market, but X-box and GC will be fighting it out for 2nd. And thats just my take on the situation.
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SRFireside
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said by PhyreFox:
Ever hear of "Planned Obsolescence"? It's the primary reason PlayStation 2's are selling like hotcakes. It's been out a year and people are buying their SECOND PS2 because the first one breaks down.
If that were the case there would be a lot more word out on the poor quality of the PS2. Companies won't build a machine so it would break in a year. That's very bad business planning, especially in the game console market. Sony's original Playstation was on the top of the heap for about six year without doing what you are implying.
Now planned obsolescence I don't think is the case, but eventual obsolescence is definitely out there. Console games are currently not upgradeable so eventually that PS2 will not be able to handle graphics in a way that keeps up with the times. My guess is it won't take another six years for a new Playstation to be created considering how fast technology is growing lately.
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| Not if you consider the fact that the mass majority of people would shoot down such a suggestion of planned obsolescence because they believe that after paying a small fortune for their console that there couldn't possibly be anything WRONG with it.
Eventual obsolescence? That apparently doesn't happen with Nintendo systems. Maybe Sony is figuring with their consoles falling apart after God-knows-how-long that people will just migrate to the latest thing, but there's still quite a lot of people that play NES games DESPITE the console being nearly twenty years old.
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krashnburnz
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I agree with some and disagree with some of You. The only reason at this point in time that the PS2 is beating the xbox is because it has a ENTIRE year head start of game developers on its side. Once the xbox expands its game library, it will beat the PS2 in the long run no matter what. The PS2 can only accomplish so much performance without u haveing to FORK over 100 bucks every 2 months for upgrades. Dont get me wrong. Sony was very smart, because they made alot of ports for extras to be added, liek a hard drive, and Ethernet Port, extra memeory and much more stuff that is still in devolpment, liek Graphics expansion, sound, maybe even CPU boost, But they did this to make more money off You. The Xbox includes all these for the same price as the PS2. so i know it is not to expensive to add these and sell for 299. Plus the xbox parts are much more expensive becuase they are twice as fast. the fact of the matter, u will have to Pay out your Pockets big time for these upgrades. When u can buy a Xbox for the same price as a basic PS2. Xbox comes with all that stuff. 10 gigs, dvd player liek the PS2 (xbox needs remote to work $30), ethernet for broadband Gaming. But the harddrive that will be coming out for the PS2 is liek 100 bucks. What a rip off. ANd as far as modem or ethernet for PS2, i am sure will be like 40-60 for those. The Xbox outclasses the ps2 performance by almost double. I mean damn. Look at the games. U can totally tell. xb0x = 733 mhz, ps2 is 294 mhz. xb0x = Geforce3 graphics with clock speed of 250 mhz. PS2 = integrated graphics synthizer with a clock speed of 147 MHz. That is a big performance difference. Here is a link to a site that shows u all 3 compared Hardware Wise. »users.wiredcity.com.au/~plok/gam···ecs.html As far as Nintendo,There system is even stronger then the PS2, but They havent made any games for teens and OLDER since SNES. ALl the Nin64 games were KID games. Seems like they are sticking with that so far. The only thing i have seen so far that nintendo has releases for its new console that isnt Kid games is some sports game. Thats it. ALL in ALL, once the xbox teams up with more game makers, they will make both the PS2 and gamecube Look foolish for even tryin to compete. And once the xbox goes online this ssummer, It will leave them all in the dust. |
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| said by krashnburnz:
As far as Nintendo,There system is even stronger then the PS2, but They havent made any games for teens and OLDER since SNES. ALl the Nin64 games were KID games. Seems like they are sticking with that so far. The only thing i have seen so far that nintendo has releases for its new console that isnt Kid games is some sports game. Thats it. ALL in ALL, once the xbox teams up with more game makers, they will make both the PS2 and gamecube Look foolish for even tryin to compete. And once the xbox goes online this ssummer, It will leave them all in the dust.
I'm sorry, I couldn't read this post without posting a rebuttal. Please don't take this as a personal attack, as it is not. The common belief that Nintendo only makes games for youngsters is one of the oldest, most propagated mistruths among gamers and non gamers alike. You stated that the N64 had only "kid" games made for it when any true gamer remembers the system for games like the Turok series, Goldeneye, Conker, and, well I won't sit here and name off any of the hundred other "M" rated games released on the system. What perplexes me is that even though titles like Sesame Street, Rugrats, Mary Kate and Ashley and many sequels of all of the aforementioned were common staples on the PSOne and not the N64, the PSOne was never called a "kiddy" system-why is that! As for Gamecube only having games for youngsters, what games are you referring to? The few that they do have are all ports of PS2 games! Even the cartonny looking Smash Brothers game is "Teen" rated. As for the Xbox being the "end-all-be-all" of online gaming, Electronic Arts just announced that this year's John Madden online football game is going to be a PS2 exclusive, due to Microsoft's master-slave attitude when it comes to third party companies having online games on their console. Sony's(as well as Nintendo's) stance is that the individual publishers can/should run their own servers for their online games. All online games for Xbox must be served thru Microsoft, which has brought up some privacy issues, among others. This is definitely not good news at all for the Xbox. The Gamecube has Phantasy Star Online pts 1 & 2-enough said, as I(as well as many others)have wasted a many an hour playing this title. I also personally like how Nintendo has decided not to punish those who can't get any form of broadband by making both 56k and ethernet adaptors for their system. Online gaming for consoles isn't the holy grail some people make it out to be. Did it save the Dreamcast? Does anyone even remember Sega Saturn Netlink? X-band? Do you see a pattern here?
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krashnburnz
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| I do hear where you are coming from. But the ratio of Kidz games compared to 18+ games are about 3to1. Ys, they had turok, James bond, hmmmm, what else,?? Sports games can be for anyone wich i mentioned, so we will leave those out of the Ration. but over all, Nintendo bases there consoel and most of the games on a younger audiance. That is my opinion and i am not stateing a facts because i am not gonna waste time finding numbers. But that is what i have seen from nintendo since The orginal one. |
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