 IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
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kudos:1 | How much life left in Adelphia? I say that they're bankrupt by the end of the week. Takers? |
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 Loh
join:2000-12-20
Placentia, CA | Im supposedly 2 weeks away from getting Powerlink....oh well. |
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 TOTCI only exist to make you cryPremium
join:2001-05-16
Van Nuys, CA | reply to IPPlanMan
They say it over, only one week.. I just hope some good company takes over the LA system, CableVision  OOL |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
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kudos:1 | reply to Loh
I've heard that story before....
It's nice to know that when the LA Times article came out almost 3 months ago, Adelphia said that we'd have service within 60 days in 90049....
I guess the Adelphia folks out here had no idea what was cooking in Coudersport...
Sigh...
Lies, lies, and more lies.... paid for by my bill every month.
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
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kudos:1 | reply to TOTC
Is Adelphia bluffing Charter?
2700 vs 4000 per sub?
Being bankrupt should make the Adelphia people more flexible right?
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TOTCI only exist to make you cryPremium
join:2001-05-16
Van Nuys, CA | Guess so but they want to get as much as they can to pay debt, they don't want to go out of business they want to make money, but I guess they waited to long... 4K damn I didn't know I was worth that much... |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | I never felt worth that much....
We've been broadband deprived here in 90049 ever since the term was coined!
No Century@Home
No Adelphia Powerlink
No Verizon DSL
Sigh....
Broadband to me is anything above 56K... uh... I mean 46667...sigh....
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TOTCI only exist to make you cryPremium
join:2001-05-16
Van Nuys, CA | Sucks.. Guess it depends where you live... I live in a urban area and we have anything from 33.6 to fiber, I picked DSL and been enjoying it very much.. |
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
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Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Go Lakers!!!
I actually happen to be in the very "urban" area of West Los Angeles not too far from Santa Monica.
Sigh...
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 madskillzHalf Man Half Amazin'
join:2001-12-05 | reply to TOTC
yup i had adelphia but mest up speeds so i switch to dsl way better here
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 ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA | reply to IPPlanMan
anyone have the link to the story that says that their are going bankrupt |
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TOTCI only exist to make you cryPremium
join:2001-05-16
Van Nuys, CA | said by ylen13:
anyone have the link to the story that says that their are going bankrupt
»Adelphia Could Fall any Moment |
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ylen131
join:2000-02-09
Canoga Park, CA | thanks for the link. |
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 RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium
join:2002-04-02
Redwood Valley, CA
kudos:1 | reply to IPPlanMan
Nothing has been declared, yet. I have Powerlink and Digital Cable here in Ukiah, CA(90 miles north of SF), Powerlink just got installed here a couple of months ago, and right on time too. I get high speeds and it never goes down. I am really surprised to see that they are so slow in getting So Cal upgraded, when they have upgraded most of this rural county(Mendocino, dominated by tourism, Vineyards, Pears, and Timber)I live in in less than 3 years(that's about when they took over from Century) Not all the county has been upgraded mind you, but a good chunk of it. It seems to me it is the local cities and counties fault, not Adelphias.
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
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Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Blame the city/county.... That's real easy to say... But it's got nothing to do with the "wait" for CM service right now, and for who knows how long before now..... I'll tell you this.... I'll believe the LA Times reports on Adelphia before I believe Adelphia's reports on themselves. Adelphia's sure conducted themselves in a manner to earn my trust so far.....sigh....
Any telecom provider with their head on straight or cash in the coffers could have worked around the one year pole box moratorium... And besides, the moratorium for pole boxes lasted only a year in about 2000 or so.... Obviously Adelphia decided not to build or continue building... After the moratorium expired, Adelphia decided to spend money on golf courses and marble, ultimately becoming flat broke and pulling the plug on the powerlink project... assuming they even started.... The fact that they started, like everything else about this company, is debatable.... But this course of events is FACT. And any attempt to blame the city for the current wait, way after the moratorium expired (which Adelphia could have worked around) is a smokescreen for the cold hard truth.
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 MacLeechThe one and onlyPremium
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
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| Emhinkes Em,
Simple question: If each telecom provider had their head on straight, except Adelphia, and Los Angeles is such a lucrative 1st tier market for broadband access, then why is it that none of the wired broadband providers can or will service your area?
Follow up question: Why was Adelphia the only provider admittedly working on getting wired broadband service to your area?
Bonus question: Who controls which companies can provide service in your area?
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Have you ever seen what a company has to do for a utility permit in Los Angeles?
Check it out: »eng.lacity.org/techdocs/permits/···rmit.pdf
Now according to all the different sources mentioning moratoriums in Los Angeles, there have been restrictions on utility pole equipment, above ground cabinets, and street cutting on recently paved streets. All of them enacted around the time Adelphia took over the systems in Los Angeles.
Adelphia didn't launch Century's cable modem plan, they stopped that plan, redesigned, budgeted, and rebuilt with loftier goals in mind. The type of rebuild Adelphia's been doing usually doubles the equipment needed at the street level cabling, all of it having to be placed either on poles or in cabinets, all of it needing more power than before.
More power needs, means more power supplies, which means the power company has to deal with the same moratoriums that Adelphia has too. Delayed power installation means Adelphia's rebuild gets delayed even further. Do you think the DWP and Adelphia could go on a massive power supply installation spree, as was reported by the LA Times and DWP, if all of it hadn't been budgeted and/or designed for previously and was just waiting for the City to sign off on the permits? See these articles: LA Times, DWP.
Adelphia had the money for the rebuild, they rebuilt the majority of their SoCal systems, including yours although its not complete yet. The rebuild for your city ran into extensive delays and now with Adelphia's current situation its probably delayed even further which doesn't help anyone involved.
A combination of Adelphia's late entry into your local market, extensive rebuild plans, and Los Angeles City permit delays are what is responsible for your not having Powerlink now. Sure Adelphia is having money problems now, but had the city not put up constant delays to the project, I'm pretty sure you would have had cable modem service months ago just like many, many other cities in the Southern California region.
So if you really think the City of Los Angeles isn't responsible, at least for a major part, for your delay in broadband internet access, you should read the LA Times a bit more carefully since they have written about this situation multiple times.
P.S. How do you think Adelphia could have worked around the moratoriums?
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MacLeechThe one and onlyPremium
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
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| Check out these links for more info on the moratoriums:
Link #1: City council on Utility permits
The line reading was interesting:
quote:
City Council approved a motion instructing the City Engineer not to grant utility / excavation permits or revocable permits and the Department of Water and Power not to approve pole-mounts for telecommunication cabinets and conduits unless exempted through Council offices or, in an emergency, by the Department of Public Works.
Link #2: internet related equipment placement
Link #3: Latest updates from the telecom task force
I especially like the end of that last link:
quote:
5-28-02 - Information Technology and General Services Committee report ADOPTED to:
1. ADOPT the Chief Legislative Analyst (CLA) report recommendations dated May 23, 2002, relative to the AGFSP, attached to the Council file.
2. INSTRUCT the Bureau of Engineering to immediately lift the moratorium on utility and excavation permits enacted under Council file 99-0300 and fully implement the provisions of the AGFSP.
3. REQUEST the City Attorney to prepare and present an Ordinance within 90 days to codify the provisions of the AGFSP into the Los Angeles Municipal Code.
4. INSTRUCT the Bureau of Engineering to coordinate with the Information Technology Agency to post this AGFSP on the City’s homepage.
5. DIRECT City Departments, including the Department of Transportation and the Department of Water and Power, to review their existing policies for other facilities in the public right-of-way and recommend any appropriate changes necessary to comply with the intent of the new AGFSP.
5-30-02 - File to Information Technology and General Services Committee Clerk OK
The moratorium enacted in February of 1999 by the City of Los Angeles was finally lifted at the end of May 2002!!! In fact the city council repeatedly extended the moratorium, in 120 day to 6 month intervals, over the last 3 years. Think of the backlog...
So if you are wondering why boadband rollout has been so slow in the city of Los Angeles, go talk to the city council members and ask them.
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BK seems like good news If Adelphia files BK, I expect services to be more stabilized without interruption (or change of ownership) for even longer. In fact, I think it is possible that Adelphia might keep the whole thing if BK allows a good reorg of all the financials. In the meantime (next 1-2 years), promo deals to keep customers should be good.
Adelphia needs the revenue from the PL services, so I don't expect that to stop as long as the backbone providers continue to be around, and it looks like some of the backbone providers themselves (WCG, Above.net) that Adelphia uses are already in or near BK too so they won't disconnect Adelphia as they need the business too. |
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Re: How much life left in Adelphia? Unfortunately, the blame for slow rollout of broadband (of any type) in los Angeles has to be shared between all parties involved: City Council, Adelphia, PacBell/SBC, Verizon, DWP, etc.
For example, I was in a similiar situation to EmHinkes until recently. our area of Studio City was not broadband equipped until very recently. No Cable, NO DSL, NO wireless. Only satellite (if you can call that broadband). The problem? General slow movement on all fronts. For example, our RT was in place 12/00, and was finally powered on 3/02. I ordered DSL early may. Now, who's to blame in this case? I think it is shared between Pacbell and DWP.
My real gripe with Adelphia solely comes from a)the time I *ordered* Powerlink when it wasn't available, and they processed the order and b)the constant "It will be available within 3 months" I get from them. But are they solely to blame as to why Powerlink isn't available here? not really.
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IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | reply to MacLeech
Re: Emhinkes "Adelphia didn't launch Century's cable modem plan, they stopped that plan, redesigned, budgeted, and rebuilt with loftier goals in mind. The type of rebuild Adelphia's been doing usually doubles the equipment needed at the street level cabling, all of it having to be placed either on poles or in cabinets, all of it needing more power than before."
Sounds like Adelphia didn't do their homework here first. These plans were probably approved by the city already....sigh....And their goals, while loftier, obviously weren't planned by people who knew that the company would be bankrupt shortly. You think Perron knew this 3 months ago when he said we'd have Powerlink within 60 days in West LA? Was that genuine or lip service? That's the problem with lying.... I'll never trust Adelphia... never.... They haven't earned it. Lemme guess...another 60 days?
For that matter, why wasn't Adelphia forthcoming about what the delays were from? It took the Los Angeles Times to get to the bottom of this. Why the years of lies?
Again, if my phone goes out, I'm not gonna call the DWP and ask them to fix it. Adelphia either didn't know, or they did know and intentionally lied about their progress in our market. (Financials, Rollout Progress, what's the difference?)
"5)Permit may expire after 6 months without job being done."
I like fine print..... So here's something in the fine print.... Let's start that clock.... Sigh. Now this is something you can blame on Adelphia, and not the city. Hey man, rules are rules.
Current blame and prior blame... It's important to know the difference. What a shame Adelphia left themselves in a piss-poor state so that they probably can't even fix my digital cable should it break. That's a load on their shoulders... no one else's.
"How do you think Adelphia could have worked around the moratoriums? "
Clout.... If Rigas had done even 1/10th of what he did in Coudersport in terms of money and clout, we'd have our cable modem. It's all about give and take.... and all Rigas did was take.
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