boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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| reply to NOVA_Guy
Re: What are the terms of the contract?
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That's almost funny... I can see the MPAA and Disney going after an elementary school principal over the showing of Snow White in court. Talk about bad PR... And I guarantee that they wouldn't want me as a juror on that case. I'd side with the defendant, regardless of what the law says. (as with this Pledge of Allegiance "under God" crap in California, common sense must prevail over the senseless)
You'd be surprised- there are many bars as well with the name "Grumpy's" or "Sleepy's" that are sued by Disney for copyright infringements.
The fact of the matter is that people are trying to get out of having to pay for cable modem service by having their neighbors set up a Wi-Fi network. The intent is to obtain a product or service without paying for it.
If you pay for a PPV event and invite 20 friends to watch it, it is a bit different than paying for cable modem service and giving your neighbor free and unmonitored access to it so that they don't have to pay for the service.
A closer analogy to the situation would be if you got cable ISP service and invited your neighbor over to use your computer in the same room with you while you both surf the web on the same exact sites. You are then enjoying the same service together at the same time. Otherwise, you are just trying to get the service without paying for it- hence it is stealing.
Here's a suggestion- PAY for the service like everyone else, BE HONEST about it and you won't have to worry about being sued.
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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join:2002-03-05
 ·VOIPo
| said by boogie74:
You'd be surprised- there are many bars as well with the name "Grumpy's" or "Sleepy's" that are sued by Disney for copyright infringements.
Again-- Disney shouldn't expect to convince me of their "loss" if I'm ever sitting on a jury hearing one of these arguments. It's nonsense, and it's time that we as consumers took appropriate action to label it as such.
said by boogie74:
The fact of the matter is that people are trying to get out of having to pay for cable modem service by having their neighbors set up a Wi-Fi network. The intent is to obtain a product or service without paying for it.
If you pay for a PPV event and invite 20 friends to watch it, it is a bit different than paying for cable modem service and giving your neighbor free and unmonitored access to it so that they don't have to pay for the service.
Perhaps people are trying to get out of paying for service, perhaps not. Neither you nor I are capable of truly determining that. Regardless, the person who's running the Wi-Fi hub is paying for access; hence the cable company has already gotten their pound of flesh for a broadband connection. Provided that this connection isn't being abused, I don't see the point in them simply getting more and more from several different people for the same level of service. That's just plain nonsense.
Paying for a PPV event and inviting friends over is essentially what you're doing with sharing Wi-Fi with your neighbors. You've purchased a service from the cable company and you, along with others, are enjoying the benefits of said purchase. In either case, the only folks who are enjoying these benefits are ones who have been openly invited to do so, and the cable company has been paid for providing these benefits.
said by boogie74:
A closer analogy to the situation would be if you got cable ISP service and invited your neighbor over to use your computer in the same room with you while you both surf the web on the same exact sites. You are then enjoying the same service together at the same time. Otherwise, you are just trying to get the service without paying for it- hence it is stealing.
Bzzzt, wrong... The connection has already been paid for by someone, and is not being duplicated in any way (sharing is different than copying). There has been no theft, just cooperation among two or more people.
said by boogie74:
Here's a suggestion- PAY for the service like everyone else, BE HONEST about it and you won't have to worry about being sued.
If cable companies were HONEST, treated their consumers with the respect they deserved, gave their consumers the service they paid for, and didn't price gouge at every chance they got, then your suggestion would probably be better received by most. I believe that once people get these basic things from their providers the problem will go away.
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joako
Premium
join:2000-09-07
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| reply to alex4life
[QUOTE=alexthepsychoI'm not sure about PPV events, but I do know that if you rent a movie, and invite your entire neighborhood over, it becomes a public viewing, and is prohibited by the terms you agreed to buy/rent the movie. I know this is true, because my elementary school almost got sued for having a movie day in the gym.[/QUOTE]
Yes.. the world has gotten out of hand... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THERE WAS A PURCHASER AGREEMENT WITH A MOVIE? One day I will go to burger king and will have to sign an agreement saying I cannot share fries with my girlfriend, but instead must pay them $1 extra for that right. |
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Kylow
@167.1.x.x | reply to NOVA_Guy
"I'd side with the defendant, regardless of what the law says."
With this attitude, the plaintiff could strike you without using one of their strikes. You would never be a juror. |
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Kylow
@167.1.x.x | reply to joako
Actually, funny story. I was visiting New York and we went to Carnegie Deli. Listed on the menu was a 3 dollar charge for sharing entrees, and a 1 dollar charge for sharing soup. |
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Kylow
@167.1.x.x
| reply to BrianDamage
Well, if you're talking about prosecution, you may have a point, but if you're referring to whether or not they can cancel his service, they undoubtedly have a clause that states something like "We may terminate your account at any time, with or without cause." If they terminate the account of everyone who they find to be redistributing, people will stop doing it, or at the very least, there will be a marked decrease in the amount of wifi sharing going on. |
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joako
Premium
join:2000-09-07
/dev/null | reply to Kylow
SOUP NAZI! |
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wkendrvr
join:2001-07-09
Greensboro, NC
| reply to NOVA_Guy
Sure you can get a ppv and invite your friends over. That is not what was happening. He was advertising to anyone that he had this access point. It was on his website. So if you changed your analogy to include advertising that you were showing it for free in the local newspaper, then you would be a little closer to accurate. And sharing your bandwidth does degrade the network as they are working on the premise that you are not using your access 24 x 7. If you are trying to get dedicated service on the cheap, expect them to not want to comply. |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
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| Yeah, he made a mistake by advertising so much info about his wireless network configuration.
At the very least he should have withheld key information that would have established the link to his carrier.
A network like that should have been confined to a small circle of friends and not advertised if we wanted to keep it on the QT.
Arrogance is causing him a lot of grief.
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Jimbo Jones
@67.104.x.x
| reply to boogie74
All I have to say is that I pay $30 a month for cable modem, and I have practically unlimited bandwidth even though all of my neighbors have the same provider. I am completely happy paying this much for my service granted I continue to get this great connection. Are people so cheap that they won't pay $30 a month for a sweet service.
I HIGHLY recommend WIDEOPENWEST.COM!!!!!!!!!
But let the people share their connections |
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danc694u
And Your Point Is?
join:2002-01-10
Moody, AL
| reply to GuggyFresh
said by GuggyFresh:
I'm sure the terms of service exclude reselling (or giving away) someone else's service (bandwidth) as your own. Where I come from that's called theft. It's mostly illegal.
Does this include letting your neighbor use your PC and connection at your home, if he isn't a subscriber? Say ...just for some homework research that was taking too long on his dial up?
Seems like it should, since he effectively would be STEALING. He should buy his own, instead of borrowing yours.
Broadband Nazi = RIAA
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