p2p2p
@rr.com
| RoadRunner Blocking Kazaa Port 1214
I have now confirmed that RoadRunner is blocking the port used by Kazaa/Grokster (1214) in certain cities. It appears they use some sort of port scanner, and once an open connection is seen on this port, it is blocked from then on. I read that in one city, someone who complained about this was ask to pay some sort of additional fee of $20/month.
This is a ridiculous practice which RR doesn't seem too interested in disclosing. Kazaa is certainly one of those most popular apps someone would get broadband for, but RR intentionally makes it unusable. How nice. I notice they don't mention this in the commercial.
I guess the only alternatives are upgrading to their business class (although the port may still be blocked) or switching to DSL, which doesn't seem like a bad idea.
If people don't complain about this, RR will think they can get away with it and possibly implement it systemwide. And who knows what other programs they might decide to block next? If this practice was publicized more, perhaps they would back down. |
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Vast321
Vast Fan
join:2002-03-01
Houston, TX | kazaa works fine here for me (Houston) The only problem i have is with WinMX, no matter what i do its always slow speeds for uploads..etc Kazaa works the best for me(Kazaalite) |
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p2p2p
@rr.com | It seems to work fine at first, until their port scanner realizes Kazaa is being used. Look for scans on port 1214 in ZoneAlarm. After that, Kazaa will still connect but performance is essentially disabled. |
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Vast321
Vast Fan
join:2002-03-01
Houston, TX | reply to p2p2p
I do however get stalls or whatever you want to call them..like when i press search after being on for a while..i usually have to disconnect/reconnect...could that be part of it? |
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p2p2p
@rr.com
| No, it's much more than that. All downloads slow to a crawl before stopping completely, and all uploads stall after a certain point, usually 128k.
For more info, see:
»pub45.ezboard.com/fmorpheusfrm1.···18.topic
and
»pub45.ezboard.com/fmorpheusfrm1.···97.topic |
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Vast321
Vast Fan
join:2002-03-01
Houston, TX | reply to p2p2p
thats odd, i get great speeds constantly on kazaalite. In excess of 200 kb/s. Are you sure its not ZA itself or maybe your router? Im on ME also and it runs perfect on here. |
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hockeyfun1$
Down With Dc Exec
Premium
join:2000-11-26
New Hartford, NY
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We'll I'm not surprised. Uses too much bandwidth and a lot of things are illegal to download which could get the ISP in to trouble.
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willardk
Mod 2000-03
join:1999-12-02
Jackson Heights, NY
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This isn't a RR issue..so it doesn't really belong here. The fact you can download and upload...guess what? your port ain't blocked...
but before I send you along.... if your upload is maxed your download will be choked to that speed...thats how tcp/ip works.
Will
[text was edited by author 2002-07-08 04:33:45] |
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Uncle Bill
@216.127.x.x
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Less than useful remarks removed, helpful information left intact...MSeng
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wzoo1
join:2001-06-28
MI, USA |  reply to p2p2p
PROBLEM IS ROADRUNNER IS BLOCKING THE PORT(1214) WHICH KAZAA/Grokster uses. If that port is blocked, the program will 100% not function meaning not able to connect. Its like port 80 blocking... |
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willardk
Mod 2000-03
join:1999-12-02
Jackson Heights, NY
| said by wzoo1:
PROBLEM IS ROADRUNNER IS BLOCKING THE PORT(1214) WHICH KAZAA/Grokster uses. If that port is blocked, the program will 100% not function meaning not able to connect. Its like port 80 blocking...
Did you read this post in the middle of the thread:
"No, it's much more than that. All downloads slow to a crawl before stopping completely, and all uploads stall after a certain point, usually 128k"
Doh... he's connecting.
PS if RR was blocking Kazza it would be discussed a heck of a lot more... and I definitely would know firstv hand. Its not blocked.
Will
[text was edited by author 2002-07-08 08:56:29] |
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tke711
Premium
join:2001-03-31
Everywhere
| You're absolutely right Willard.
If RR was really blocking this users 1214 port, he wouldn't even be able to search for anything, let along download anything at any speed.
Kazaa uses a few different ports overall, but the only one used for file sharing is 1214. If that is blocked, nothing is coming through.
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INHCNN
join:2001-12-15
Lansing, MI
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*There are other P2P applications out there. It would be impossible for a ISP to block them all.
As for the nice flame from Uncle Bill - if you can't be constructive, please don't be destructive. It is better to say nothing at all.
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DoubleT
Premium
join:2002-04-09
Dallas, TX | said by TechThisOut:
As for the nice flame from Uncle Bill - if you can't be constructive, please don't be destructive. It is better to say nothing at all.
But its not nearly as much fun....;) |
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smoothdog
join:2001-11-27
Deltona, FL
clubs:  | reply to p2p2p
True dat!!!! |
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p2p2p
@rr.com
from:
aoverify
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Just because a connection is initially allowed does not mean they are not blocking the port or using some sort of filter. And furthermore, the same thing happens regardless of whether or not any files are being uploaded or the number of downloads. Things were fine until the RR scans on port 1214 started, and now the program is useless. Again I would point people to the following two links:
»pub45.ezboard.com/fmorpheusfrm1.···97.topic
and
»pub45.ezboard.com/fmorpheusfrm1.···18.topic
for more confirmation. It seems this is only happening in certain cities right now, but it could be expanded in the future.
And furthermore, not everything on Kazaa is copyrighted. There are numerous legitimate uses for the program, which people seem to ignore. The point is RR decided to arbitrarily alter access to it without disclosing it to their customers. The reality is that if they continue to do so and expand the practice to other markets, they will begin to lose a lot of business, regardless of what copyright zealots think. Imagine if a national residential ISP had blocked access to Napster in its prime. Many people actually got ISP access just for Napster. And internet use (and ISP revenues) were increased because of it. It's a bad idea to bite the hand that feeds you. |
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willardk
Mod 2000-03
join:1999-12-02
Jackson Heights, NY | learn how tcp/ip works.... the problem described is typical of when upload is maxed out to capacity. The downloads get choked to the upload speed or less.
Will |
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p2p2p
@rr.com
| As I said, the problem happens when no uploads are taking place, or even when uploads are disabled in Kazaa options. Searches rarely work and ALL downloads slow down and then stop, regardless of file type, which was definitely not the case before. And when uploading is turned on, ALL uploads stop after 128K of data has been transferred. Yet upload and download speeds are great via FTP, even with large files. It seems obvious to me that some sort of firewall or filter is in place to restrict Kazaa use. And the thing is, I actually think it would be fair to require higher fees for P2P use, if they would offer such a thing and disclose the practice. |
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Lurkers inc
Don't Call Me Doink
join:2001-10-13
Seattle, WA
| reply to p2p2p
said by p2p2p:
For more info, see:
»pub45.ezboard.com/fmorpheusfrm1.···18.topic
and
»pub45.ezboard.com/fmorpheusfrm1.···97.topic
I was reading about this at Slashdot.org, where they are running a bit titled "RoadRunner Blocking Use of Kazaa".
»yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/07/14/02···?tid=153
Here is a snipit that if true might explain why it would cut out.
""You should know that RoadRunner is quietly blocking the use of Kazaa in certain markets. Particularly in Texas, they have some sort of port scanner in place which scans for Kazaa activity and then disables use of that port, rendering the program completely useless. Grokster, iMesh, and all other FastTrack programs are similarly affected. Yet RoadRunner is not disclosing the practice in any way. Not only that, I'm troubled by the possibility of them arbitrarily choosing to block other programs in the future. If this becomes more widespread, they will have many angry (and former) customers.""
I have seen very little to substantiate if this is true or not. Maybe someone affected could run a sniffer and try to determine what if anything is happening.
I thought p2p was cool and geeky when it first came out but have never found a reason I would need or want to use it lately.
Paul,
[text was edited by author 2002-07-14 00:45:04] |
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jmd2121
@Stanford.EDU
from:
aoverify
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i am a kazaa user at a major west coast university -- typically serve 500Kb/s out on kazaa and irc.
I've seen this behavior with people uploading from me... 128K and then stop -- + downloads that will zip along at 16/20/30 Kb/s then slow to 1/20.5 Kb/s and crawl.
three words for RR users: 'class action lawsuit' |
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