Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| reply to fireguy
Re: Is attbi throttling kazaa/grokster in Sacramento?
ok, you say you'll debate in an intelligent manner, then you call me a script kiddy (i'm not) you say I use aol (I don't)
First off..you CAN NOT DoS a program...a Denial of Service does not attack a program.
The only way you could DoS a peer 2 peer program was if they used a central server like napster did to control all searches and such, but since the fasttrack network uses multi nodes and updates it's list everytime you connect..or it will search out nodes based on the last ones you connected too...you cannot attack it directly like that unless they launched a DOS on the hardcoded list of supernodes which is stored in the kazaa.exe.
Or do you expect the RIAA to DoS attack every ip that has port 1214 open?
So don't go calling me names and making assumptions..i've worked as a network engineer for quite awhile now...and I've never heard of anyone trying to launch a Denial of Service attack against a specific program...a port is not a program. because it isn't possible to attack a program unless you use a virus (of which 2 for kazaa exist)
The flooding connection attack you described would be useless unless you just wanted to piss a friend off...because the DoS'er would have to DoS EVERY person serving that file..which is unlikely
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | reply to fireguy
I have been experiencing the same problem... I download at 1k/sec but I upload to people around 5k/sec
Now something is screwy here! |
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heid95843
join:2002-08-11
Antelope, CA | I have the same problem. How do I switch ports? I have done everything else that I can think of. |
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | reply to fireguy
I don't know if it is possible to switch ports... |
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EngMN
join:2002-07-02
Saint Paul, MN
| reply to fireguy
As far as I know, we are NOT blocking, throttling, etc. Kazaa or Grokster on our networks. If we were going to slow down the transfers, why not just block them all together? I have no idea where these rumors get started. Anyways, as the other posters stated, it is most likely the RIAA/MPAA/etc doing their best to cause problems on those P2P networks. In fact, in case you didn't know, one of their lackeys in the house is trying to make it legal for them to do so :
»www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26357.html
Lovely. |
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WytBoyHatcha
join:2002-03-26
Carmichael, CA
| reply to fireguy
I just talked to my bro who is on Cox.net. He (and friends) is not experiencing any type of irregularity with Kazaa. Currently, it is faster for him to do my downloads, then transfer them to me via netmeeting haha ...ridiculous:)
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | reply to fireguy
I think we are getting screwed by AT&T somewhere in here and they just aren't saying anything yet! |
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FryGuy8
join:2002-07-16
Antelope, CA
| reply to shorto85
it's not very hard to dos specific machines. For example, if the does a search of music, for example, he then gets a list of ip's that have that music. Then it's a very simple matter to send 1000 SYN/ACK packets to port 1214 on each one of those IP's. Since kazaa is listening on that port, it tries to accept the packets, and the port gets put into a TIME_WAIT state. Since kazaa is the program that is listening on this port, kazaa is the program that is being DoS'd. It fills up the connection queue of the bind'd port, and stops new connections. However, some of this may be incorrect. But yes, a program can be DoS'd. Denial of service does not have to be a bandwidth flood. For example if there was a buffer overflow bug in kazaa, it could be used to crash kazaa, which would be a denial of service because the service, kazaa, would be denied to people trying to use it. |
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heid95843
join:2002-08-11
Antelope, CA
| reply to fireguy
I think it is At&t. I set up a http tunnel last night and I now get download speeds up to 117kb. It took kazaa off of port 1214 and through a proxy server. It seems to be working fine. SOOOOO it probably is a At&t thing. On dial-up through SBC I was getting faster downloads than on AT&T Broadband. Now it's fixed though so hopefully I won't have to worry anymore until AT&T screws this up. |
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Fireguy
@attbi.com | heid95843,
Could you give us a little more detail on how you "set up a http tunnel" to fix the slowness. Is it done with proxy's somehow?
Thanks |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| reply to FryGuy8
Yes, but it does not go into a time_wait status forever unless they have a machine set to keep hitting the ports...and frequently...then they would eventually be trying to DoS million of machines.
Also the newer versions of kazaa are not vulnerable to this because it will open as many ports as it needs to if 1214 is full. Fire up a netstat or port watcher, then download like 20 mp3's off kazaa, it will open ports like 1214, 1389, 1943,1945...and so on
so the DoSer would have to flood every port kazaa will use... |
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heid95843
join:2002-08-11
Antelope, CA
| Got to http-tunnel.com. I think you go through their server and assign a SOCKS5 address for Kazaa to go through so all traffic goes through port 80. I have the newest version of Kazaa and on netstat it was always port 1214 that had time wait or fin wait on it. I am not very smart with computers so with my limited knowledge it just made sense that it was someone blocking up my port. Is it only At&t users that are having this problem? |
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | reply to fireguy
Could you please explain it more |
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Skarface32
join:2002-08-06 | reply to fireguy
Hey I am having the same problem in the chicago suburbs? Have all of you found a solution for this? I'm a bit confused on the http tunnel solution. |
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | reply to fireguy
So far still having this problem! |
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Skarface32
join:2002-08-06
| reply to heid95843
Oh man am I in trouble! I went to http-tunnel and downloaded the software. I ran it, and followed the instructions. I tried doing it without downloading kazaa-lite and without removing the spyware, and my kazaa would not connect with the SOCKS5 settings I set up.
So, I followed the instructions for kazaa that the help setting in http-tunnel said, and i ran the adaware software. I mist have killed my winsock or TCP/IP because I can no longer connect to the internet. If anybody knows what to do in order to get my connection up and running again, I'd greatly appreciate your help.
Also, once I do get the connection back up, how can I fix this kazaa problem?? What do I enter into the config settings in http tunnel?? |
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heid95843
join:2002-08-11
Antelope, CA
| Skarface32,
In config settings, mark no proxy only firewall. Make sure you enter info into the hosts file on your computer just as the help page suggests. What system are you using?If you can, I would use system restore to set your computer back to before you started playing with it. Then you can identify what you shouldn't dump. I played around a bit with it before it worked but now it is doing great. |
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Skarface32
join:2002-08-06
| Did you download the version of kazaa-lite that http tunnel recommended? I did this late last night, and it seemed to be working somewhat well. I tested my DL on 1 mp3 and my speeds were in the 40kbps range... not the best, but not bad... i'll try a few more |
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | reply to fireguy
Do you have to pay extra to get a faster dl speed? |
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shorto85
join:2002-04-28
Fair Oaks, CA
clubs: | reply to fireguy
I am getting this error
Cannot contact Server, it may be down. Please try after a while
However when I test the connection it is working fine so is AT&T blocking Http-Tunnel now? |
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