dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI
| Idiots
They don't deserve any protection whatsoever. Let them rot in hell.
How much of a genious does it take for them to poll the cable radio services too see how popular they are? and they are on averate $8/month. These fools thing people will pay $300 THEN pay a monthly fee? Just look at satellite dish to know better. They are always forced into cutting deals on selling the dish and converter.
Of course this was destined to fail from the start. As much as I love my cable radio, I get it free on the net anyway. Sure I wouldnt mind having satellite radio at $10/month. But I will not invest $300 in a company that was born yesterday. again.
Just consider that it costs them likely as much as it costs dish TV (if not more->RIAA), but they are charging much less.
You can't burn a log twice.
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dnoyeB
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard. " Ecclesiastes 9:16
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deltapi
join:2001-04-25
Memphis, TN
| I wouldn't subscribe to satellite radio, but I do have a dish at home. Time Warner cable kept raising their prices, and Directv was/is a better deal, with more channels, and more of what I want.
I dunno, I just think comparing the radio deal to satellite tv is a bad example. However, I agree with your point about paying for the radio, and then paying a subscription fee. We're used to paying for television/movies, but paying to listen to my radio?? No way, especially when I have free music channels via the internet or Directv. |
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GLX
join:2000-01-18
San Francisco, CA
|  reply to dnoyeB
You're not forced (for the most part) to listen to radio for your only entertainment at home.
Try doing anything else other than listening to your radio for entertainment behind the wheel and you're liable to get arrested  |
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tcp1
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join:2000-04-17
Herndon, VA
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| reply to dnoyeB
XM has over 150,000 subscribers in its first six months of operation. That's a faster adoption rate than satellite TV, DVD, VHS, or the CD player. In fact, it's the fastest growing consumer electronic product ever. That's a fact, I'm not making it up.
Must be a lot of idiots out there.
Anyways, their problem isn't subscribers - it's debt. It costs a lot to build two satellites and put them in orbit.
XM has the right idea. By the end of this year, they should have their target of 350k subscribers, making them $42,000,000 per year. XM Investor Relations has been quoted saying they make about the same in ad revenues yearly. Even at their depressed stock price, they are not in immediate danger of bankruptcy. (Sirius, however, is another matter.)
Your Dish TV comparison, however, is rather dense. You go as far as thinking "Duh, they're both satellites, must cost the same!" Ok.. You're leaving out a big part - programming.. It costs quite a bit less to preprogram several channels with music and rebroadcast audio feeds versus licensing for full video rebroadcast - which, by the way, uses a hell of a lot more bandwidth. XM programming cost the same as Dish programming to produce? I highly doubt it. Think about it. Thinking helps make posts BETTER! |
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SterlingJ85
Obama 2008
join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ
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| reply to dnoyeB
Sirius isn't in anymore danger of filing for bankruptcy than XM is. XM has enough cash to last through Q1 (not the THIRD Quarter) 2003, Sirius has enough to last until Q2 2003. They both need funding or they will be broke. But honestly, with all of their deals as companies... Do you even think their auto partners and radio partners would just let them disappear? Absolutely not.
Just remember, stock prices don't always determine a companies worth. |
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Augustus III
If Only Rome Could See Us Now....
join:2001-01-25
Gainesville, GA
| reply to dnoyeB
Following this same logic, everybody who bought a car mp3 player is 'taken advantage of' because they invested in a technology that requires you to buy a different receiver to utilize? Then you have to buy your music to stick in the mp3 player (just assume p2p didn't exist).. same thing really. Difference is one is a fixed fee, the other is up to you.
If XM is up for another 2 years (worst case scenario) your 300$ or so player would have already served it's purpose nicely.
But I think the problem is, it's just radio.. Whatever the means of delivering it, it's still radio. You have as much choice/control as on a FM wave. Well maybe a bit more but I am not going to flip through 50 channels to find that one song while driving around bends and avoiding cattle...
Nice idea, bad logic, collect a penalty slip and proceed to the next booth, XM. |
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SterlingJ85
Obama 2008
join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ
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| reply to dnoyeB
I think you are writing off satellite radio far too fast. It's a far better variety that FM radio, and its music selection is very wide. The same can not be said for traditional radio, it only has about 5 formats to offer.
Go try XM or Sirius in a store nearby, listen closely to the music selection. It's not like regular radio.
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elboomboom
join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA
|  You are correct as for the variety of music................but who the hell wants to pay for that.........It is ridiculous to charge a monthly rate to listen to music.........That is just plain idiotic........Free radio will alwayz be better........... |
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SterlingJ85
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join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ
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| reply to dnoyeB
You must not care much about what you listen to, which is fine, traditional radio suits you. But it doesn't suit me and several other million people who are SICK AND TIRED of Clear Channel/Cookie Cutter type radio. I would happily pay 5X's the price, both monthly and for equipment, for what I get out of Sirius. |
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elboomboom
join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA
|  You must be a millionaire then to like throwing money away..........I on the other hand am not...............Music is music...........It is not going to change..........You can get it free everywhere you look...........Only rich people like throwing money away........... |
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SterlingJ85
Obama 2008
join:2000-11-19
Millville, NJ
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| reply to dnoyeB
I am far from a millionare. TV is free everywhere you look too, those 2,000 ft tall towers aren't there to charge you. But I guess under your logic, everyone who has cable, DirecTV, or DISH Network system is throwing their money away too! I am paying for a service that I like, not throwing money away.
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elboomboom
join:2002-01-27
El Cajon, CA
| Whatever works for you.............I am glad the satellite radio works for you................I am happy w/ my FM/AM radio..............I never run out of music to hear...........Until they shut down the regular radio stations..........looks like satellite radio is wish/wash for me.................Bottom line is we all have diff. needs................ |
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rantou
join:2002-06-04
Richardson, TX
| reply to SterlingJ85
It is pathetic to see how many people don't understand how good these services really are. I can't support HBO, Showtime, Starz, or any movie channel really that I have to pay for because i'm going to see the same things over and over again, but satellite radio is different. It is a way of showing the artists that you care. I am a sirius consumer, and I definitely have to say it transformed my ride from boring long trips that I hated, to enjoyable past times. I drive from Dallas to Houston, to Oklahoma, etc. all the time, and it only gets better with time. Some people don't understand however, that it's also like an art. Music is just like walking in to a museum and looking at artwork hanging on the walls. You don't just steal it. You did have to pay to get in. Same thing goes with a movie theater, you pay to watch a movie a single time, and it did absolutely nothing for you. Sure, you can get in free to all those places, but there's also the consequences. With satellite radio, you are paying to get everything you ask for, and I agree that it's the best thing out there, and can only be related to directv/dish/cable under one circumstance: it's the same exact form of entertainment, just designed for the car. If you can pay or cable, you can pay for satellite. you have to pay an install cost, or sign a contract with these people people, however, and with satellite radio, you don't. Long live Sirius and XM. |
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