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toronto20012
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join:2001-08-10
Markham, ON

Rogers spying?

Go to run, type in msconfig then click on startup. I've noticed that, there is a tool called Daemon's tool. Did some research along with helps from my friends and found out that," Tool" was a tracing tool. Rogers use to log out websites. Anyone else have this tool on their startup?
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silentfury

join:2002-06-18
Toronto

uhhh no.. Daemon Tools is a cd-emulation/virtual-cd program. http://www.daemon-tools.de for reference.
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toronto20012
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join:2001-08-10
Markham, ON
reply to toronto20012

I don't have that installed @ all. That is the other porgram (hacker). I believe the Rogers' one is called Spy Daemon.
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drprat

join:2002-02-02

now how would rogers sneak this "daemon tool/spy" on to our computers without us knowing??? haha.... ur funny... it's probably some program that you installed or some other software installed without you knowing.... i haven't installed a single piece of rogers software (from their cds) so I guess i'm safe if there is any "spyware" on those cdz...

rogers use to scan ports before though... don't know if they still do....



elusion
Premium
join:2001-10-25
Scarborough, ON

reply to toronto20012

Sometimes when you install programs, for example kazaa, morpheus etc, you get spyware, it isn't rogers spying on you, its just spyware. Watch what you install, or get Ad-aware to get it off.
»www.lavasoft.com (ad-aware)
[text was edited by author 2002-08-16 15:05:45]

[text was edited by author 2002-08-16 15:07:26]



toronto20012
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join:2001-08-10
Markham, ON
reply to toronto20012

Sources say that the firmware from the modem that you have from Rogers installed the program. Everytime, Rogers pings, the data is sent.
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elusion
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join:2001-10-25
Scarborough, ON
reply to toronto20012

My question to you is, why don't I have that in my startup? Why? I believe it has nothing to do with rogers, and simply a spyware/adware, I remove these things by using ad-aware. Its not rogers.



toronto20012
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join:2001-08-10
Markham, ON
reply to toronto20012

Hmm, found some spyware on my computer.... Daemon... There removed it.
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Frontrunner33

join:2002-06-20
Canada
reply to toronto20012

Nah...

No "spyware" on my machine. As some others already have mentioned, you've probably installed some stuff of the internet, which in turn installed this piece of software. If Rogers wanted to spy, don't you think it would be easier for them to just go through their logs?


Expediti0n$

join:2002-08-16
Beverly Hills, CA

Nah, i doubt rogers would implement spyware into their apps. However, I wouldn't touch their software installation cd with a 10foot pole!



Uriel3

join:2001-11-26
reply to toronto20012

Re: Rogers spying?

Thanks for the heads-up toronto2001, it probably has nothing to do with Rogers but I removed two suspicious start-ups which I've suspected of being spyware namely Program: NvCplDaemon, Filename: Rundll32.exe NvQTwk,NvCpIDaemon which was Loading from; HKEY_LM\Run plus a Sync Manager. No ill effects so far. Seems that we have to be on guard at all times, many unauthorized programs/applications and spyware are able to get passed our firewalls without being blocked or even launching a pop-up alert.



HiVolt
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Toronto, ON
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Uriel, NvQTwk and NvCpIDaemon are a part of nVidia drivers. If you removed them you might have problems with accessing the settings in the control panel or playing games... If you find you get problems, just reinstall the driver.
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drprat

join:2002-02-02
reply to Uriel3

instead of removing what could possibly be important .dlls and system files, i would recommend installing a good firewall (i.e. zonealarm) as it will detect just about anything that attempts to access the internet or any internal networks....

-pratik



Uriel3

join:2001-11-26
reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:
... NvQTwk and NvCpIDaemon are a part of nVidia drivers. If you removed them you might have problems with accessing the settings in the control panel or playing games...
Thanks HiVolt for pointing that out to me, I must have gotten carried away with that word "Daemon", sounds sinister. I checked the Control Panel and Display Panel layout and it looks and works fine, but I didn't take any chances and reinstalled the W2K NVIDIA drivers just in case. It may also have something to do with the NVIDIA Driver Helper Service which I had to disable a while back in Services because it was hindering the start-up. I'll leave well enough alone even though there's never seems to be a shortage of bloatware sucking up systems resources for no good reason.


HiVolt
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Yeah, I regularly check for any suspicious processes. I usually don't install any freeware/shareware/demos off the net because almost everything these days is plagued with spyware or tracking software. I run Ad-Aware once a week, once in a while it finds something... Some bloody websites do stuff behind your back too, with malicious code that takes advantage of IE exploits. I dont like firewall software, too much stuff to configure to get everything working.
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skillton

join:2000-09-14
Scarborough, ON
reply to toronto20012

said by toronto2001:
Sources say that the firmware from the modem that you have from Rogers installed the program. Everytime, Rogers pings, the data is sent.

hahaha dats one of the dumbest things i ever heard on an online forum


Gongster
Gongster Enterprises
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join:2001-12-31
Markham, ON
reply to toronto20012

I ran a sniffing program on thier network and I couldn't help noticing that their main servers log the sites I have been visiting. In the log file of the sniffer it showed every single IP address that I have connected to in the past week even CS server IPs! I know what toronto2001 means about the daemon. It is installed by the firmware in the modem to track what sites you have visited and sends it to rogers. I believe it is called a track daemon or something along those lines. All I say is that ur being watched. Even with the tracking daemon disabled they still log what IPs you connect to. I'll post the log file if you wish.



HiVolt
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If that's the case akiclan, why doesn't everyone on Rogers have this so called tracking daemon running? I haven't noticed anything suspicious in my process list on any of the machines in my house... Or being behind a router remedies this?
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Gongster
Gongster Enterprises
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Markham, ON
reply to toronto20012

My comp is plugged directly into the modem but my bro's comp is connected through ICS and he doesn't have the daemon. Cause I noticed the daemon right after I installed Windows. But WTF is this shit of all the sites I visited in their servers.



elusion
Premium
join:2001-10-25
Scarborough, ON
reply to toronto20012

I don't have the daemon, I had it before, but it was right after I installed some crap, I took it off with ad-aware.



sbrook
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Daemons like this invariably come with shareware / freeware. It's how the shareware writer/distributor makes money. One of my kids installed BearShare, and along with it came not one but TWO daemons that a) tracked internet use, and b) threw up popups all over the place. They got removed very quickly. It remains to be seen whether BearShare still works!!!

Stuart



HiVolt
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Has someone actually verified that this tracking daemon appears only after you install the Rogers software? I myself have never installed any @Home or Rogers software in the past, and I haven't had any problems like that.
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sbrook
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Ottawa
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Well, I got the Ericsson piperider CD which I put in for grins. It is only needed if you're connecting by USB port to the modem. I looked at the manuals and that was it. Nothing was loaded onto my system.



HiVolt
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said by sbrook:
Well, I got the Ericsson piperider CD which I put in for grins. It is only needed if you're connecting by USB port to the modem. I looked at the manuals and that was it. Nothing was loaded onto my system.
I was referring to their setup package, which installs a customized browser, media plugins, etc... Sorta like @Home had. I wonder any part of that install sets up the tracking daemon.
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sbrook
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Never got either ... I signed on just as @home was going bye bye and Rogers was implementing @rogers.com Originally I got the Terayon modem in a docsis box and power supply and ethernet cable and a bad instruction manual and a copy of the EUA and workorder, and passwords that didn't work for anything! That took some sorting out with Customer Circus!

When they swapped for a piperider, got the cables and the modem, powersupply and an Ericsson CD.

Stuart



skillton

join:2000-09-14
Scarborough, ON
reply to Gongster

said by akiclan:
I ran a sniffing program on thier network and I couldn't help noticing that their main servers log the sites I have been visiting. In the log file of the sniffer it showed every single IP address that I have connected to in the past week even CS server IPs! I know what toronto2001 means about the daemon. It is installed by the firmware in the modem to track what sites you have visited and sends it to rogers. I believe it is called a track daemon or something along those lines. All I say is that ur being watched. Even with the tracking daemon disabled they still log what IPs you connect to. I'll post the log file if you wish.
so lemme get this strait... ur saying the firmware in the modem installs a program on ur computer?
if dats what ur sayin then in sorrry to say this but ur prolly retarded... because even if wat ur sayin was possible rogers wouldn't be dumb enuff to do it... they'd get sued big time... its against the law...


HiVolt
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Hah no way its in the firmware of the modem... He installed some freeware proggy off the net and it installed the tracker... It happens all the time.

What I want to know is if there are any parts on the Rogers setup CD that might contain spyware, 3rd party stuff that Rogers puts on their CD, and they might not even know themselves about it...
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Mashiki
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join:2002-02-04
Woodstock, ON
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reply to toronto20012

Start->Search

Put in the search box:
Daemon.*

Make sure that searching hidden and all folders is selected. When the file(s) is found right click on the file and goto Properties.
There should be some tabs across the top, depending on OS. In NT you should have atleast one called Version. Just click though the information and it should tell you who manufactured it.

More the likely it's some type of program that's been installed simiar to HiVolt's statement. The funny thing is, and I do wish I had a copy of Rogers setup CD I never did get one when I got online with them.



corster
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join:2002-02-23
Gatineau, QC
reply to toronto20012

The rogers proxy was tracking the sites you visited.



ryguy$
He Wants That Donut

join:2002-08-21
Thornhill, ON
reply to sbrook

Why would rogers like t spy on us??? what so they can see if were goin on "special" sites. what are they parents, teachers?