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| Re: Approved Comcast Modems Modem List
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 percosan
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| reply to pazuzu5 Good catch.
Yes, the 4220 does support A-TDMA as defined in DOCSIS 2.0. However, CableLabs has a very strict set of rules for how a company can use "2.0" in their literature. The 4220 is certainly capable of working as a 2.0 modem on cable plants that have a CMTS that is configured to use the A-TDMA flavor of 2.0.
Peter
said by pazuzu5 : Geez, only the SB4220 implements DOCSIS 2.0's A-TDMA. Nowhere is DOCSIS2.0 mentioned in the same sentence with SB4200/4101/4100 on Motorola's pages. One'd think if those could be used for DOCSIS 2.0, it'd be plastered all over the place by now.
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  pazuzu5
join:2001-06-14 King Of Prussia, PA | Geez, only the SB4220 implements DOCSIS 2.0's A-TDMA. Nowhere is DOCSIS2.0 mentioned in the same sentence with SB4200/4101/4100 on Motorola's pages. One'd think if those could be used for DOCSIS 2.0, it'd be plastered all over the place by now. |
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 percosan
join:2002-03-13 San Francisco, CA
| reply to btdude Hi -
The SB4100 is based on the Broadcom BCM3350. This device is DOCSIS 1.0 and 1.1 only. As I mentioned in my previous posting, this chip lacks the support of A-TDMA and S-CDMA (the new upstream elements added in the 2.0 spec). Included below is the URL to the BRCM3350 information page. I have also included the URL to the SB4100 info page for your review. The relevant Broadcom based device necessary to support DOCSIS 2.0 is the 3348, which is not yet in a certified product.
Peter
»www.broadcom.com/products/3350.html »www.gi.com/modem/SB4100.pdf
said by btdude : said by percosan : This is an incorrect statement. The SB4100 can NOT be upgraded to DOCSIS 2.0. This modem is based on silicon that does not implement either of the new upstream technologies required (A-TDMA or S-CDMA).
Peter
said by btdude : Here is what I DO know. SB4100 Modems ARE DOCSIS 2.0 READY. That means that WHEN Comcast decides to incorporate the new 2.0 standard, (from what I understand) our modems will be provided the firmware from Comcast. My only concern about the Motorola people discontinuing the SB4100 was my concern for lack of parts, tweaks, and stuff. NOw, as to whether Comcast is DOCSIS 1.0 ready, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that they would HAVE to be at the 1.0 standard, otherwise none of our modems would work at all.
I respectfully disagree. The Motorola customer service people told me this. The 4100 IS DOCSIS 2.0 ready. The modem itself says that right on the box. Please show me why you are not in agreement with this.
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  btdude
join:2002-01-28 Manassas, VA
| reply to percosan said by percosan : This is an incorrect statement. The SB4100 can NOT be upgraded to DOCSIS 2.0. This modem is based on silicon that does not implement either of the new upstream technologies required (A-TDMA or S-CDMA).
Peter
said by btdude : Here is what I DO know. SB4100 Modems ARE DOCSIS 2.0 READY. That means that WHEN Comcast decides to incorporate the new 2.0 standard, (from what I understand) our modems will be provided the firmware from Comcast. My only concern about the Motorola people discontinuing the SB4100 was my concern for lack of parts, tweaks, and stuff. NOw, as to whether Comcast is DOCSIS 1.0 ready, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that they would HAVE to be at the 1.0 standard, otherwise none of our modems would work at all.
I respectfully disagree. The Motorola customer service people told me this. The 4100 IS DOCSIS 2.0 ready. The modem itself says that right on the box. Please show me why you are not in agreement with this. |
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 percosan
join:2002-03-13 San Francisco, CA
| reply to btdude This is an incorrect statement. The SB4100 can NOT be upgraded to DOCSIS 2.0. This modem is based on silicon that does not implement either of the new upstream technologies required (A-TDMA or S-CDMA).
Peter
said by btdude : Here is what I DO know. SB4100 Modems ARE DOCSIS 2.0 READY. That means that WHEN Comcast decides to incorporate the new 2.0 standard, (from what I understand) our modems will be provided the firmware from Comcast. My only concern about the Motorola people discontinuing the SB4100 was my concern for lack of parts, tweaks, and stuff. NOw, as to whether Comcast is DOCSIS 1.0 ready, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that they would HAVE to be at the 1.0 standard, otherwise none of our modems would work at all.
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| reply to Tabasco Joe nevermind [text was edited by author 2002-09-21 00:38:48] |
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  mbernste Boosted Premium,MVM join:2001-06-30 Piscataway, NJ
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| reply to btdude said by btdude: NOw, as to whether Comcast is DOCSIS 1.0 ready, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that they would HAVE to be at the 1.0 standard, otherwise none of our modems would work at all.
Comcast is currently at DOCSIS 1.0. They will move to 1.1 when VoIP is rolled out. You'll know you are on 1.1 when either a) You get a new firmware or b)VoIP becomes available in your area. -- Visit and support DSLR/BBR on irc at irc.zerolimit.net #BBR Come on and chat! |
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  Tabasco Joe
@motorola.com | reply to Teriwyn Interesting the internal page doesn't show it as discontinued but the factory says they don't build em any more. Thanks for the link. |
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  btdude
join:2002-01-28 Manassas, VA
| reply to mbernste Here is what I DO know. SB4100 Modems ARE DOCSIS 2.0 READY. That means that WHEN Comcast decides to incorporate the new 2.0 standard, (from what I understand) our modems will be provided the firmware from Comcast. My only concern about the Motorola people discontinuing the SB4100 was my concern for lack of parts, tweaks, and stuff. NOw, as to whether Comcast is DOCSIS 1.0 ready, correct me if I am wrong, but I do believe that they would HAVE to be at the 1.0 standard, otherwise none of our modems would work at all. |
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  mbernste Boosted Premium,MVM join:2001-06-30 Piscataway, NJ
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| reply to Qumahlin One other thing. CableLabs haven't even come out with a DOCSIS 2.0 specification yet, so DOCSIS 2.0 doesn't even exist! All of the modems on the list can be upgraded to DOCSIS 1.1, the Terayon and a couple of the Motorolas meet the proposed specs for 2.0. Years from now when Comcast decides to go to 2.0, then an upgrade for some would be necessary, just like it is for us ex-CyberSUFR's. -- Visit and support DSLR/BBR on irc at irc.zerolimit.net #BBR Come on and chat! |
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  Qumahlin Never Enough Time Premium,MVM join:2001-10-05 united state
| reply to bulldog5 said by bulldog5: No they mean DOCIS 2.0. Increased upload speeds, etc. I have conformed and reconfirmed this with COmcast Modem Upgrade dept. DOCSIS 2.0 to be implemented on Sept 30.
Um comcast isn't offering increased uploads or any docsis 2.0 features. As someone stated comcast is not even docsis 1.1 and 90% of the modems out there are NOT 2.0 compliant
They are only cutting service to NON docsis modems..don't spread info that is false thanks  |
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  pazuzu5
join:2001-06-14 King Of Prussia, PA
| Yeah right. Comcast isn't even DOCSIS 1.1 yet. How are they gonna all of a sudden jump to 2.0? Show me an average cm customer who's actually seen a SB4220, let alone using one. FYI, none of the popular SurfBoards (4200, 4100) are DOCSIS 2.0 ready (go read their prod specs if you don't believe me). Unless Comcast wants to piss off a whole bunch of its customers who purchased their own modems, DOCSIS 2.0 is not gonna happen any time soon, certainly not by 9/30. |
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 Samandy
join:2002-07-08 Potomac, MD | OK, you have my attention. I own my SB4100, and I do not think it is DOCSIS 2 compliant. Does that mean I have a problem in a couple of weeks? |
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 bulldog5
join:2002-03-05 Owings Mills, MD | reply to Qumahlin No they mean DOCIS 2.0. Increased upload speeds, etc. I have conformed and reconfirmed this with COmcast Modem Upgrade dept. DOCSIS 2.0 to be implemented on Sept 30. |
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  Qumahlin Never Enough Time Premium,MVM join:2001-10-05 united state | bulldog. They mean docsis. Not docsis 2. gotta remember who you are talking to when talking to comcast heheh |
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 bulldog5
join:2002-03-05 Owings Mills, MD
| I just received my new DOCSIS 2 modem from Comcast. No major problems but they told me that if any modems are not DOCSIS 2 compatible, they won't work after Sept 30. Is this possible? For instance, they say that no Linksys Modems are DOCSIS 2.0 compatible. Anybody have any info on this. Thanks. |
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  Teriwyn Neko Girl Premium join:2002-06-06 Germantown, MD
| »www.gi.com/noflash/surfboard.html (Accessed by www.motorola.com > "Products and Services" > "Cable modems" > "Motorola SURFboard® Cable Modems")
This location does list the 4100 as a discontinued model. |
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  Tabasco Joe
@motorola.com | reply to btdude I didn't see anything on the WEB page about the 4100 being discontinued. Even if it was I wouldn't be worrying about firmware support going away. There are millions of them out there. |
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 sunman9
join:2002-09-13 Nashville, TN
| reply to btdude MY Toshiba pcx1100u works fine when it's hooked directly to the pc but I can't get to work throgh my linksys BEFSR41 V.2 Router. Linksys tech support says they have issues with this modem. If I want to use their Router I have to install a Hub between the moden and router.
Anybody else have this problem. |
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