Count Hogula$
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Re: Get Ready for............................
said by JonIrenicas  :
More people score under 1 Mbps and 500 Kbps with Cox then with ATTBI.
Yeah...and 4 out of 5 dentists suggest sugarless gum for their patients who chew gum.
Conjecture. Where is your proof? You continuously pull "statistics" out of your ass without a shred of proof.
Mean speeds for Cox HSI are 50% faster than mean speeds from ATTBi and ATTBi ranks near the bottom of the cable provider list for speeds...even including their overpriced Ultrastink service so sayith 9/22 speed test averages on DSLR.
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JonIrenicas
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"Wrong...I would rather be faster all the time than worry about the cap. 50% faster is 50% faster regardless of what the Cox cap is. Unreliable...I don't understand.
Cox is RELIABLY FASTER...and that's what matters. Speed kills, play it safe, get ATTBi."
More people score under 1 Mbps and 500 Kbps with Cox then with ATTBI.
I'll take a reliable 1.4 Mbps thank you very much. |
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
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"anywhere from 1100-3200 Down speeds so that was very inconsistent."
That's very strange to score lower then 1.4 when with the 1.4 plan you have reliable speeds. Maybe they were having some network problems while you had the Ultra plan..
"My 2 bigs issues with ATT is about the "outrageous" ultrajoke plan at "83.99"
I agree the Ultraplan should be $60-$70. $80 is a little much.
"Ya you can go out and get a 50 dollar surfboard modem but I got the Toshiba and it cost me 110.00."
Don't blame AT&T because you didn't get a good deal.
"Now if they would of gave a warning 6 months prior to me buying my own modem.."
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Count Hogula$
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[QUOTE=JonIrenicas
More like say you are shopping for a car and there is a Corvette that can go 100 MPH but when you test drive it you find it doesn't go 100 very often and is very unreliable and sometimes goes 10 MPH and other times it goes 70 MPH but goes an average of 66 MPH and on the other side of the lot there is a Yugo that can only go 50 MPH but is very reliable and goes 50 MPH all the time and you have a choice to upgrade it now or later and make it go 100 MPH all the time. The Corvettes a little cheaper then the Yugo and both are alot cheaper then the upgraded Yugo.
Now I'd go after the reliable one every time. Obviously you'd gamble and go after the slightly cheaper but unreliable Corvette.. Right? [/QUOTE
Now imagine that they tried to charge you $100,000 for that Yugo while the Vette costs $50,000. And your analogy isn't even correct. If the Yugo maxes out at 60, the Vette averages 75 and costs less...hmmmmmmm.
Wrong...I would rather be faster all the time than worry about the cap. 50% faster is 50% faster regardless of what the Cox cap is. Unreliable...I don't understand.
Cox is RELIABLY FASTER...and that's what matters. Speed kills, play it safe, get ATTBi.
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skyjock41
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said by JonIrenicas :
Speeds are all over the place with them but with AT&TB you will almost certainly get 1.4 or 3.0 depending which plan you want.
I agree ...in my case... with the 1.5/256 plan but the ultrajoke plan i had speed test that showed anywhere from 1100-3200 Down speeds so that was very inconsistent. To tell the truth i am satisfied with my connection from ATT but I dont understand why ATT cant offer something like OOL offers. My 2 bigs issues with ATT is about the "outrageous" ultrajoke plan at "83.99" and the cable modem increase. The ultrajoke plan IMO warrants a 59.99 charge at most. The cable modem increase issue. Ya you can go out and get a 50 dollar surfboard modem but I got the Toshiba and it cost me 110.00. Now if they would of gave a warning 6 months prior to me buying my own modem..... would i still have bought one? NO. Those are my only two gripes as of now and yes the goods are outweighing the bads but the bads are starting to catch up.
Also Id pay 83.99 if i got a 5000/768 connection. i just hope not too many are using the ultrajoke plan cause if they are then we will never see a change.
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JonIrenicas
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"More fuzzy math from the shill. 1332 is only 88% of the cap."
Wrong, as of right now it's 1325 and that's right between 94% and 95% of 1400.
"and in that department ATTBi lags WELL behind their peers."
You are correct. But as for reliability those providers lag WELL behind ATTBI.
"I'll explain it in a Crayon like fashion for ya. Average Yugo drivers can max out the performance of a Yugo too...doesn't mean that Yugos are bitchen. ATTBi is the Yugo of the cable internet world."
More like say you are shopping for a car and there is a Corvette that can go 100 MPH but when you test drive it you find it doesn't go 100 very often and is very unreliable and sometimes goes 10 MPH and other times it goes 70 MPH but goes an average of 66 MPH and on the other side of the lot there is a Yugo that can only go 50 MPH but is very reliable and goes 50 MPH all the time and you have a choice to upgrade it now or later and make it go 100 MPH all the time. The Corvettes a little cheaper then the Yugo and both are alot cheaper then the upgraded Yugo.
Now I'd go after the reliable one every time. Obviously you'd gamble and go after the slightly cheaper but unreliable Corvette.. Right? |
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JonIrenicas
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"Boy does your math suck. Are you telling me that 650kbps isn't 50% of 1300?"
Of cource it is. But 50% isn't 2x more, 2x more would be 100% more.
"I would think that would have been on the ATTBi shill exam before you were hired."
Exhibiting more of your trolling behaviors I see...
"ATTBi is overpriced...and not by a little."
That's your opinion.
"Wow i wish i still had my speed tests from when i had that ultrajoke plan then youd be changing that 97% statement."
It's Actually between 94% and 95%.
"As far as the 1.5/256 plan i do get a 1440/230 results quite frequently. So next time you need to base your 97% off both plans that ATTBI offers cause your obviously doing it to all the other providers your not shilling for."
I don't quite understand this post. For one the 97% was in reference to what the overall speed results are to the normal plan so 1325 Kbps is aprox. 94% of 1400 Kbps. And Cox who offer 3 MBps caps only get 2 MBps of that in overall speed tests results so 2 Mbps is 66% of 3 Mbps. And Adelphia is even worse their percentage is well under %50. It's still faster then ATTBI of cource. But my point is that ATTBI's systems are much more stable, more people reach their cap and if somebody wants 3 MBps they can get it, with Cox and other various Cable Inet providers that is not the case. You could get 1 Mbps, 500 Kbps, 3Mbps, 1.8 Mbps and everywhere in between. You never know. Speeds are all over the place with them but with AT&TB you will almost certainly get 1.4 or 3.0 depending which plan you want. |
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skyjock41
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said by Count Hogula$ :
Seeing as you have a math problem...I'll explain it in a Crayon like fashion for ya. Average Yugo drivers can max out the performance of a Yugo too...doesn't mean that Yugos are bitchen. ATTBi is the Yugo of the cable internet world. Comcast is a '73 Vega wagon (and not a Cosworth).
I like that one and its so very true! 
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Count Hogula$
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[QUOTE=JonIrenicasUsers average 97% of the cap[/QUOTE
More fuzzy math from the shill. 1332 is only 88% of the cap. And so what, 100% of zero is zero. The percentage of who reaches the cap is irrelevant...it's the total average speeds for the money...and in that department ATTBi lags WELL behind their peers.
Seeing as you have a math problem...I'll explain it in a Crayon like fashion for ya. Average Yugo drivers can max out the performance of a Yugo too...doesn't mean that Yugos are bitchen. ATTBi is the Yugo of the cable internet world. Comcast is a '73 Vega wagon (and not a Cosworth).
What a garage they'll make.
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skyjock41
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said by JonIrenicas :
But ATTBI also offers the most reliable speeds. Users average 97% of the cap.
Wow i wish i still had my speed tests from when i had that ultrajoke plan then youd be changing that 97% statement. As far as the 1.5/256 plan i do get a 1440/230 results quite frequently. So next time you need to base your 97% off both plans that ATTBI offers cause your obviously doing it to all the other providers your not shilling for.
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Count Hogula$
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Boy does your math suck. Are you telling me that 650kbps isn't 50% of 1300? I would think that would have been on the ATTBi shill exam before you were hired.
And only a shill would try to justify ATTBi charging twice the price for what their peers offer or just over 10% more for 1/2 the speed.
Realistic speeds? 50% faster is pretty damn realistic...especially since ATTBi charges more for less.
ATTBi is overpriced...and not by a little.
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JonIrenicas
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"Sorry...no one is buying your endless shilling for ATTBi. Facts are the average user with Cox gets faster speeds than the average user with ATTBi."
Get your facts straight, I never said otherwise.
"Average peak speeds with Cox 1971kbps
Average off peak speeds with Cox 2030kbps
Rank 18th 1682 cox.net 1971 239 2030
Average peak speeds with ATTBi 1332kbps
Average off peak speeds with ATTBi 1377kbps
Rank 37th 2823 attbi.com 1332 232 1377
Source DSLR Speed tests for week of 9/22
Seems that for 15% cheaper than ATTBi the average Cox users gets 50% faster speeds."
Thank you for helping me prove my point. Although Cox offers CAPS at 3 Mbps the average is under 2 Mbps. 600 Kbps more NOT 2x more then ATTBI.
And BTW Cox is only cheaper then ATTBI in some markets while others it's actually more expensive.
"Next time you shill for ATTBi how about posting some facts to support your claims."
You have yet to disprove one fact. You've introduce many facts but none that disprove any facts I've introduced.
"Facts are that ALL of ATTBi peers are faster than (#37) ATTBi including Time Warner (#28), Adelphia (#21), and Cox HSI (#18). Who was worse than ATTBi? COMCAST. Oh boy...birds of a feather."
You're absolutely right. ATTBI and Comcast have the lowest caps in the business. I've never stated otherwise. But ATTBI also offers the most reliable speeds. Users average 97% of the cap while with Cox it's 66% and with Time Warner although having a CAP 600 Kbps higher they only average 201 Kbps more then ATTBI and they don't have any option at all to get 3 Mbps.
And Adelphia although they offer 3.4 Mbps CAPS they only average Just under 500 Kbps more then ATTBI with tons of users testing below 500 KBps! And again if you want 3 MBps speeds with them you have to be lucky.
"BTW Shill...not all ATTBi users qualify for Ultralink."
You're right troll. I'd take wild guess and say it's only available to 50%-75% of their users but I doubt it will be very long before it's available to all their markets. |
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Count Hogula$
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Sorry...no one is buying your endless shilling for ATTBi. Facts are the average user with Cox gets faster speeds than the average user with ATTBi.
Average peak speeds with Cox 1971kbps
Average off peak speeds with Cox 2030kbps
Rank 18th 1682 cox.net 1971 239 2030
Average peak speeds with ATTBi 1332kbps
Average off peak speeds with ATTBi 1377kbps
Rank 37th 2823 attbi.com 1332 232 1377
Source DSLR Speed tests for week of 9/22
Seems that for 15% cheaper than ATTBi the average Cox users gets 50% faster speeds.
Next time you shill for ATTBi how about posting some facts to support your claims. Facts are that ALL of ATTBi peers are faster than (#37) ATTBi including Time Warner (#28), Adelphia (#21), and Cox HSI (#18). Who was worse than ATTBi? COMCAST. Oh boy...birds of a feather.
BTW Shill...not all ATTBi users qualify for Ultralink.
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JonIrenicas
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said by Count Hogula$ :
A total fabrication.
Every clear thinking person knows that most of that is fact. This can be argued "Most users with Cox get under 2Mbps". But the rest is unarguable facts and any clear thinking person knows it.
And you saying its total fabrication just helps my case that you are nothing but a troll. |
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Count Hogula$
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[QUOTE=JonIrenicasThose companies offer 2MB and 3MB CAPS not necessarily the speeds. Most users with Cox get under 2Mbps, not very reliable speeds, it depends how much traffic is going through the users node. While with ATTB virtually everyone sees the 1.4 Mbps and if they want 3 MBps they can get it, Cox users don't have that option. If they want 3 Mbps they'd have to be lucky enough to be on a node that doesn't have very many users on it. [/QUOTE
A total fabrication.
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JonIrenicas
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"Is OOL going to collapse too or they actually giving their customers something to cheer about?"
Yes, there is already much talk about them losing money. Even if they don't there is still no comparison with them who just handle a small region of the country while ATTB handles large patches all over the country and is the biggest cable provider in the country. Apples and Oranges.
"I mean there are so many other cable companies (RR, Cox, Aldephia etc) that offer either a 2MB or 3MB plan for around 50 still not 83.99."
Those companies offer 2MB and 3MB CAPS not necessarily the speeds. Most users with Cox get under 2Mbps, not very reliable speeds, it depends how much traffic is going through the users node. While with ATTB virtually everyone sees the 1.4 Mbps and if they want 3 MBps they can get it, Cox users don't have that option. If they want 3 Mbps they'd have to be lucky enough to be on a node that doesn't have very many users on it. |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
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Remember att also had a hand in driving @home into the mud with their control of stock and board members. They were trying their best to devalue the company so they could turn around and buy it up for pennies on the dollar.
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Count Hogula$
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Actually Cox is $35. ATTBi is out of line compared to their national cable peers. |
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skyjock41
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said by JonIrenicas :
And 3 Mbit speeds for $35/month was ridiculously low, it was nice while it lasted but we all knew it wouldn't and it was one of the causes for @Homes calapse.
What about OOL at 10MB/1MB for 39.95? Are they in the business of charity? I mean you said @home collapsed cause they charged 35.95 a month. Its only 4 dollars cheaper than OOL but they gave 7MB less download than OOL and 872Kb less upload than OOL. Is OOL going to collapse too or they actually giving their customers something to cheer about? I mean there are so many other cable companies (RR, Cox, Aldephia etc) that offer either a 2MB or 3MB plan for around 50 still not 83.99.
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Count Hogula$
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Good...maybe you've learned to moderate your rhetoric. |
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