Count Hogula$
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Re: Get Ready for............................
said by JonIrenicas:
"Really? Yeah...there is no development going on in Orange County, CA or any of their other markets. Nice fiction."
I didn't say there isn't any development going on in Orange county. Nice fiction. I said they don't have nearly as many Neigborhoods to upgrade and mantain.
"Really...nice to know that you speak for the U.S. internet subscriber base."
I speak for myself.
"Meanwhile they're still cheaper than ATTBi and twice the speed...or is it less than 1/2 the cost for the same speed. I guess it's both. Welcome to ATTBi's new math."
As I said they can offer that because they don't have nearly as many neigborhoods to upgrade and mantain as ATTB does. Nore the backbone ATT has created. And even with having a cap twice as much as ATTBI does they only average about 200Kbps more then ATTBI in speed tests. Just because the cap is at 3 MBPS doesn't mean users are ever gonna get that speed. ATTB has done alot to create a very stable network, virtually all users see 1.4 MBps where the cap is set at while with Cox it fluctuates and many many people test bellow 1 Mbps, most people test between 2.0 Mbps and 100 Kbps.
I guess you have to ask yourself. Would you rather pay a little more every month and have very stable 1.4 Mbps speeds or pay a little less and have very eratic speeds. Or pay twice as much and have stable 3.0 Mbps speeds. I don't know about you or anyone else but I'd go for the stability every single time.
PER SUBSCRIBER REVENUE...increased from $36 to $40. More subscribers just means more revenue...EXCEPT they aren't spending any more money when they take on these new customers.
ATTBi also takes in more money. Your statement makes no sense. How does the number of customers matter when you have revenue from every customer. Double the customers, double the revenue.
They have the revenue to spend in division...but they aren't spending it. That's the ONLY reason your aren't getting it.
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
| "PER SUBSCRIBER REVENUE...increased from $36 to $40. More subscribers just means more revenue...EXCEPT they aren't spending any more money when they take on these new customers."
What's with this personal vandeta against ATTBI? They offer some of the cheapest prices in Broadband, Cable broadband even.
"ATTBi also takes in more money. Your statement makes no sense. How does the number of customers matter when you have revenue from every customer. Double the customers, double the revenue."
They have more area's to upgrade and maintain then any other cable provider. I don't care if that doesn't make any sense to you.
"They have the revenue to spend in division...but they aren't spending it. That's the ONLY reason your aren't getting it."
Maybe they do maybe they don't. I personally don't care.
BTW, you registered on June 19th and have made 1558 posts. I haven't met many non trolls who post at such a ridiculous rate. My question is don't you have anything better to do with your time then to endlessly bash a Broadband ISP's prices when they already offer very good and competetive prices?
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Count Hogula$
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| "What's with this personal vandeta against ATTBI? They offer some of the cheapest prices in Broadband, Cable broadband even."
What's with your shilling for ATTBi? They DON'T offer some of the cheapest rates (most of their peers are cheaper) AND they offer 33-66% less services.
"They have more area's to upgrade and maintain then any other cable provider. I don't care if that doesn't make any sense to you."
It seems to not make sense to you.
PER CUSTOMER REVENUE X NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS = TOTAL REVENUE
Maybe your math is still fuzzy so I will explain it again. More customers means more revenue to support those customers. EXCEPT, ATTB is in the practice of taking on more customers, charging them higher rates, while keeping total expenditures the same. I think your ignorance to this fact is intentional.
"Maybe they do maybe they don't. I personally don't care."
Of course you don't care that you're over paying for your service. Other's do.
"BTW, you registered on June 19th and have made 1558 posts. I haven't met many non trolls who post at such a ridiculous rate. My question is don't you have anything better to do with your time then to endlessly bash a Broadband ISP's prices when they already offer very good and competetive prices?"
Shilling for ATTBi is a better hobby you think? Figures some one who enjoys paying too much for service would also criticize active members of DSLR. ATTBi offers less than mediocre service for the prices they charge compared to their peers. You may be a philanthropist, but others aren't and question why ATTBi needs to continuously raise prices while offering less service when their peers seem to do just fine offering more for less.
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
| "They DON'T offer some of the cheapest rates (most of their peers are cheaper) AND they offer 33-66% less services."
They blow DSL away in speeds and price. Cox is cheaper in many of it's markets while in others it's more expensive then ATTBI. Roadrunner is about the same price. Really, ATTBI offers very good and competitive prices. Also as I stated earlier just because the caps are higher then ATTBI doesn't mean users will ever see those speeds. Cox's systems are very unstable and even though the cap is at 3 Mbps most users see between 100Kbps and 2 Mbps. ATTB's systems are very stable and virtually all users test at the 1.4 Mbps the cap is set at while if you want 3 Mbps and are whilling to pay for it you will almost always get the 3 Mbps when with Cox it could be 100 KBps or 2 Mbps and on rare occasions 3 Mbps it all depends. Again, just because the caps are higher doesn't mean users get those speeds because they usually don't get anywhere near.
"It seems to not make sense to you.
PER CUSTOMER REVENUE X NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS = TOTAL REVENUE
Maybe your math is still fuzzy so I will explain it again. More customers means more revenue to support those customers. EXCEPT, ATTB is in the practice of taking on more customers, charging them higher rates, while keeping total expenditures the same. I think your ignorance to this fact is intentional."
Upgrading areas in not cheap and while it may pay for itself in the long run in the short term it is very costly. You can throw this revenue crap at me all you want. I don't care, ATTB is in debt and they have every right to get out of it. Business must be proffitable.
"Of course you don't care that you're over paying for your service. Other's do."
$42 is not overpaying, it's very reasonable and competitive. I'd be very lucky to get this price for these speeds anywhere else. The end. |
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Count Hogula$
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| Every cable operator does new installs and a lot of the "new infrastructure" is actually paid by the builder. You think they'll trench the 'hood for free. Think again.
As for Cox speeds, I get consistent 3Mb speeds from Cox OC. (See speed tests for ZIP 92883). My friends with TW in OC get consistant 2Mb speeds from their RR connections. Sure everyone has their problems...but even with problems Cox and TW are faster than ATTBi on a good day.
$42 is not reasonable and is overpriced when compared to ATTBi cable peers.
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
| said by Count Hogula:
$42 is not reasonable and is overpriced when compared to ATTBi cable peers.
Pretty funny statement when you take in account that most cable broadband providers charge more then that. Yes even Cox (though not in all markets) and Roadrunner.
Also, you claim to have Cox yet it clearly shows in this thread »How close is close that you don't have a Cable connection and you're waiting for ATTBI to "roll out' in your area. And your profile clearly says your claimed ISP is Unplugged/Coastinet, NOT Cox plus you've made two reviews »/allrevi···p=,92883 two reviews that aren't reviewing Cox.
Clearly you don't have Cox cable so this statement "As for Cox speeds, I get consistent 3Mb speeds from Cox OC" is a lie. You don't get those speeds because you don't got Cox cable. If you can't get this right why should anything you say be taken seriously? We might aswell assume everything you type is a lie. And you sure do bash ATTB alot for someone who is eagerly awaiting their services. Clearly you are a troll and anyone that thinks you aren't is lying to themselves.
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pnh102
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said by Count Hogula:
Every cable operator does new installs and a lot of the "new infrastructure" is actually paid by the builder. You think they'll trench the 'hood for free. Think again.
Actually Comcast did all of its upgrades in our area without a (recent) fee hike. The only thing they charge you for if you get broadband is if you have a "professional installation." I believe that is $50 if you do that.
What amazes me the most is that ATTBI and Comcast are both able to charge the exact same amount for broadband in most of their markets, even though some customers cost a lot more to hook up than others. I'm sure if I had to pay the "full cost" of my connection, it'd be a helluva lot more than I am currently paying!
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Count Hogula$
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said by JonIrenicas:
said by Count Hogula:
$42 is not reasonable and is overpriced when compared to ATTBi cable peers.
Pretty funny statement when you take in account that most cable broadband providers charge more then that. Yes even Cox (though not in all markets) and Roadrunner.
Also, you claim to have Cox yet it clearly shows in this thread »How close is close that you don't have a Cable connection and you're waiting for ATTBI to "roll out' in your area. And your profile clearly says your claimed ISP is Unplugged/Coastinet, NOT Cox plus you've made two reviews »/allrevi···p=,92883 two reviews that aren't reviewing Cox.
Clearly you don't have Cox cable so this statement "As for Cox speeds, I get consistent 3Mb speeds from Cox OC" is a lie. You don't get those speeds because you don't got Cox cable. If you can't get this right why should anything you say be taken seriously? We might aswell assume everything you type is a lie. And you sure do bash ATTB alot for someone who is eagerly awaiting their services. Clearly you are a troll and anyone that thinks you aren't is lying to themselves.
[text was edited by author 2002-09-19 00:23:26]
Lameass, I don't claim to have Cox HSI...just access to it. Before flapping your mouth off go to the speed test archive for zip 92883 AS I HAD STATED PREVIOUSLY. Oh yeah...your head is too far up your ass to actually bother reading the thread.
Count Hogula 92883 3126/201 3000/300 11th 23:xx oc.oc.cox.net
Count Hogula 92883 3059/205 3000/300 12th 05:xx oc.oc.cox.net
Count Hogula 92883 2914/211 3000/300 11th 23:xx oc.oc.cox.net
You're just another dumbass lying ATTBi shill.
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
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"Actually Comcast did all of its upgrades in our area without a (recent) fee hike. The only thing they charge you for if you get broadband is if you have a "professional installation." I believe that is $50 if you do that.
What amazes me the most is that ATTBI and Comcast are both able to charge the exact same amount for broadband in most of their markets, even though some customers cost a lot more to hook up than others. I'm sure if I had to pay the "full cost" of my connection, it'd be a helluva lot more than I am currently paying!"
Ya there was no pay hike in my area either.
"Lameass, I don't claim to have Cox HSI...just access to it. Before flapping your mouth off go to the speed test archive for zip 92883 AS I HAD STATED PREVIOUSLY. Oh yeah...your head is too far up your ass to actually bother reading the thread."
LOL, I apologize. I read but I'm not gonna do everything you ask.
"You're just another dumbass lying ATTBi shill."
You're just another typical troll that makes 18 posts a day. And what have I ever lied about? |
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skyjock41
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"Just because a company is big doesn't mean they can't offer good customer service. Just as a company being small doesn't mean they will offer good customer service. Look at em now, they haven't even merged yet and they already offer horid customer service, it can only get better."
You think its bad now and cant get any worse lol? You need to click your heels again and maybe youll leave Kansas! No offense man but ATT customer service is crap now and Comcasts is even worse. So it will get worse. Prices will go up. Connection will stay the same.
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Blizzard0
join:2000-06-27
Beverly Hills, CA
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first off im gonna tell ya a little bit about some of the crap attbi has pulled in my area since they bought mediaone.
one of my freinds has had cable service since it was first available here and the prices have been hiked yearly since.
so here what attbi does here and you can tell me if you deem this a worthy company to fight for. id rather see the ship sink and another company pull to the bow and take the customers and SOME of the workers.
ok we start analyzing now 4 price increases in 4 years.
First was from 29.95 to 35.95 this was renting a modem from them. Second was 35.95 to 41.95 then to 45.95 now to 49.95 ohhh not bad you say because you got the modem. Well yeah let's see i bought me a modem to knock off $10 dropped me to 39.95 for all of 4 months.... hey no surprise im paying 46.95 now compared to the 42.95 for people who don't own the modem. Wow seems like i got myself a hell of a deal.
Second Tangent Where i live weekly and i do mean weekly our cable service goes down for a day or so. attbi knows of the issue and has yet to fix it. same problem every time a truck takes out a damn node down the road. you figure one tech would move the node from the low hanging position to a spot away from the low wire.
hey amazing all this money to go towards upgrades i have yet to hit my cap consistantly. sure once a month at 180 k a sec is great try using linux and developing open source when you do it for free on your time just to be pissed when attbi goes down and you can't upload 5 or 6 days of work. yeah i hear it just wait a couple days till it's back up. should i really have to wait as it was sold to me always on and reliable. besides this code is helping many and having some one reinvent your wheel is a useless waste of time.
this has been my experience with attbi since i moved and also since my freind has lived in this area. i find it quite amuzing when you harp about how good attbi is when you don't see the trouble spots. i also find it amuzing when people harp about the crappy parts of the network because they have never seen a stable connection. my amuzement with the bad connection is that of i just gotta laugh because it happens to me here also and i know it sucks.
Guys 2 sides to every story. The attbi books probably lie just like enron and most of the others. if they do put out money for upgrades id like my area added to the list. it's pretty bad when you call and the person you talk to 9 times out of 10 knows your voice and name.
AFTER ALL THAT I SAY SINK THE DAMN SHIP AND DON'T THROW LIFESAVERS TO THE EXEC's AND MANAGERS WHO ARE RUNNING IT INTO THE GROUND.
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
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said by skyjock41  :
You think its bad now and cant get any worse lol? You need to click your heels again and maybe youll leave Kansas! No offense man but ATT customer service is crap now and Comcasts is even worse. So it will get worse. Prices will go up. Connection will stay the same.
The merger won't magically change customer service so it will be worse. During and after the merger the same old phone support people will be taking our calls just as they do now with AT&T. They will just be working under Comcast instead of AT&T Broadband. I don't know about prices, they may go up, right now competition is $50 so Cable will stay around $50. And as competition offers faster speeds so will cable. Right now Cable blows most competition away + with all the file sharers taxing many nodes around the country there is no reason for them to offer faster speeds. |
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Count Hogula$
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| Some if not most will probably be laid off as what the whole point of a merger is...limiting resources while controlling a larger market share. ATTB has already shown itself to freeze customer service spending while letting their customer base expand. There is no reason to believe that Comcast people (or what's left of them) will bring a change to that anti-consumer philosophy. ATTB will continue to freeze support spending while bringing in a massive amount of new customers.
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
| said by Count Hogula$ :
Some if not most will probably be laid off as what the whole point of a merger is...limiting resources while controlling a larger market share. ATTB has already shown itself to freeze customer service spending while letting their customer base expand. There is no reason to believe that Comcast people (or what's left of them) will bring a change to that anti-consumer philosophy. ATTB will continue to freeze support spending while bringing in a massive amount of new customers.
You don't know any of this for a fact. You're just making assumptions and slanderous comments. |
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Count Hogula$
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| said by JonIrenicas :
You don't know any of this for a fact. You're just making assumptions and slanderous comments.
Let them sue me. My statements are based on their long history of f-ing over their customers. All the shilling in the world doesn't change those facts.
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| said by Count Hogula$ :
Let them sue me. My statements are based on their long history of f-ing over their customers. All the shilling in the world doesn't change those facts.
I agree with this post. |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to JonIrenicas
said by JonIrenicas :
You don't know any of this for a fact. You're just making assumptions and slanderous comments.
You really need to get a grip. |
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JonIrenicas
join:2002-06-22
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said by Count Hogula$ :
Let them sue me. My statements are based on their long history of f-ing over their customers. All the shilling in the world doesn't change those facts.
Your statements are based on hatred not facts and certainly not on any facts you can proove. And no ones going to sue you unless you decide to make these comments in a magazine or newspaper and even then it's unlikely anyone would get sued. But no self respecting newspaper or magazine would let one of their editors publish such slanderous statements in the first place because they value the respect they get and they wouldn't want to take a chance on a possible law suit.
Leave the investigative reporting for the experts. The only people that are going to buy into your slander that you call fact is more AT&T Broadband haters. |
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Jonire
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[QUOTE=[user=Count Hogula]] Let them sue me. My statements are based on their long history of f-ing over their customers. All the shilling in the world doesn't change those facts.
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Your statements are based on hatred not facts and certainly not on any facts you can prove. And no ones going to sue you unless you decide to make these comments in a magazine or newspaper and even then it's unlikely anyone would get sued. But no self respecting newspaper or magazine would let one of their editors publish such slanderous statements in the first place because they value the respect they get and they wouldn't want to take a chance on a possible law suit.
Leave the investigative reporting for the experts. The only people that are going to buy into your slander that you call fact is more AT&T Broadband haters. |
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Count Hogula$
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Oh my...such bad feelings abound...boo hoo. Facts are facts...and the fact is ATTBi is taking on more customers without spending the increased pennies to support them. Period. You can shill for them all you want but your continuous spin and fiction can't rewrite history. Still waiting for you to dispute ATTB's financial statements? You are quick to deflect the topic...just like your tangent about me not having Cox access which was obviously a lie on your part.
Maybe your obvious failure to do any shread of research is the source of your problem...or a more likely story...you are a shill...plain and simple...and to you ATTBi can do no wrong and anyone who tells the TRUTH about ATTBi is a big meanie.
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