metal1
Premium
join:2002-10-27
Melfa, VA | I thought routers were not allowed on OOL
I was just curious I thought having a router connected to your ool account was a violation of the TOS |
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dobby10
Premium
join:2000-12-13
Whippany, NJ
clubs: | Nope, routers are allowed on OOL. They are in no violation to the TOS.
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jefe
Premium
join:2001-05-19
Northport, NY | reply to metal1
OOL doesn't support routers, but they don't prohibit them either. |
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Bichon
Premium,MVM
join:2002-10-10
Freehold, NJ | reply to metal1
Routers aren't "supported" on OOL. In the sense that tech support won't help you get a router configured properly, and they may ask you to temporarily disconnect it when helping you troubleshoot a problem. But they aren't against the TOS. |
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Jetta392
Premium
join:2002-07-14
Martinsville, NJ | reply to metal1
Even if you are subnetting the IP address and not paying for a second or third IP address?
I can't believe that when I preview my post the word subnetting comes up in red.... |
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jefe
Premium
join:2001-05-19
Northport, NY | You're only getting one WAN IP address, and it's dynamic. OOL can change it at will.
The fact that you are issuing additional local IP's to your local machines isn't an issue. |
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Jetta392
Premium
join:2002-07-14
Martinsville, NJ
| said by jefe  :
You're only getting one WAN IP address, and it's dynamic. OOL can change it at will.
The fact that you are issuing additional local IP's to your local machines isn't an issue.
This is what I'm trying to covey.
From the OOL website FAQs
3. Can I hook up more than one computer to my cable modem?
If you wish to subscribe to Optimum Online service on additional computers in your household, the monthly service fee for each additional computer is $39.95 and includes free use of a modem for the term of your service on that computer. If you prefer to purchase your additional modem(s) with your service, you may do so for $65 per additional modem.
How can you hook up more than one computer to a cable modem, with a router of course! They know it can be done with a Router, but it seems they don't want you to use the router for the purpose of internet access on two computers at the same time without the use of a second cable modem and an extra $39.95 per... |
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algorithm
And I Should Care - Why?
join:2001-07-23
Huntington, NY
| reply to Jetta392
said by Jetta392 :
Even if you are subnetting the IP address and not paying for a second or third IP address?
I can't believe that when I preview my post the word subnetting comes up in red....
Thousands of OOL customers use routers and none have ever gotten any grief over it. The TOS is written to encourage the use of another modem and connection (more money for CV which is fair enough if you're willing to pay it) but there is no language which prohibits use of a router.
subnetting comes up in read because the spell checker doesn't consider it a valid word. |
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Qumahlin
Never Enough Time
Premium,MVM
join:2001-10-05
united state
| reply to Jetta392
said by Jetta392 :
said by jefe :
You're only getting one WAN IP address, and it's dynamic. OOL can change it at will.
The fact that you are issuing additional local IP's to your local machines isn't an issue.
This is what I'm trying to covey.
From the OOL website FAQs
3. Can I hook up more than one computer to my cable modem?
If you wish to subscribe to Optimum Online service on additional computers in your household, the monthly service fee for each additional computer is $39.95 and includes free use of a modem for the term of your service on that computer. If you prefer to purchase your additional modem(s) with your service, you may do so for $65 per additional modem.
How can you hook up more than one computer to a cable modem, with a router of course! They know it can be done with a Router, but it seems they don't want you to use the router for the purpose of internet access on two computers at the same time without the use of a second cable modem and an extra $39.95 per...
Well Yes, if you want another full 10/1 account you would need to pay for the 2nd modem account. Where as with the router you are sharing your bandwidth |
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TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| reply to Jetta392
First that is the FAQ, NOT the TOS. The TOS governs your usage and there is nothing in there that forbids the use of routers. In another forum, the VP of Eng. for CV has helped people set up and troubleshoot their routers.
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| Routers are allowed. When you hook a router up, your only getting 1 "Public" IP address (which would be either 24.x.x.x or 67.x.x.x). The router, will then take that address, and do Network Address Translation to send the data to the computers on your network. Which are assigned "Private" IP addresses, which are not visible to anyone on the internet, thats off your network, which means it's harder to be hacked.
If you have 5 computers all hooked up to the same router, and you check your IP address from an internet site, you will see that all 5 computers are sharing that single IP. That's because the internet is seeing the router, and the router is passing the data to you. The internet is not seeing your computer directly.
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Elite
join:2002-10-03
Orange, CT | reply to metal1
If you are using 1 modem for 5 computers you are going to have some poor speeds. If you just pay the extra money you can have 10/1 on each computer. |
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Bichon
Premium,MVM
join:2002-10-10
Freehold, NJ
| said by Elite :
If you are using 1 modem for 5 computers you are going to have some poor speeds. If you just pay the extra money you can have 10/1 on each computer.
That's a bit of an overstatement. How many businesses and schools share a single T1 line (1.5mb) amongst dozens of computers? |
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vrvi32
Vrvi32
join:2002-06-27
Edison, NJ
clubs:  | reply to Elite
or a fractional T1 for that matter.
you will almost never reach or need the full 10 for any computer for normal usage. |
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vrvi32
Vrvi32
join:2002-06-27
Edison, NJ
clubs: | reply to metal1
the only problem with a router is that there are slowdown issues especially if it has a 10mb WAN port, or if you are using WLAN. |
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ooliscool
join:2002-10-26
Warren, NJ | reply to metal1
you can share with as many computer as you want as long as they are all yours and in your house, ool doesn't mind. |
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Irish Shark
Play Like A Champion Today
Premium,MVM
join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV | You can share 50 if you want. The speed may not be so great since it will be shared by 50 boxes, but you can do it.
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dumwaldo
Premium
join:2001-03-12
| reply to metal1
a router IS a violation of the TOS.
section 33 states "Subscriber may not resell, share, or otherwise distribute the Service or any portion thereof to any third party without the written consent of Cablevision".
a router shares the connection.
in section 20 it says "The Subscriber acknowledges that by "clicking" the Acceptance icon below, Subscriber is agreeing to the terms and conditions of this Agreement on behalf of all persons who use the Optimum Online Service or the Services through Subscriber's Computer". so lets look bck into section 1 and see a computer as defined for the OOL TOS is "An electronic device that can store, receive and process data and which has the minimum requirements necessary to operate Optimum Online as outlined in the consumer informational literature provided by Cablevision for Optimum Online". a router can NOT store data, it can NOT process data and it certainly does NOT meet the minimum system requirements on its own.
section 1 also outlines what a subscriber is and states very plainly, "Each member of your household and any other individual who uses the Computer and Optimum Online irrespective of the individual in whose name the account is in or who owns, rents or uses the premises on which the Computer is located". all through out the TOS you will find refrences to a COMPUTER being connected to the OOL network. nowhere is the word computer pluralized and the TOS even states that you may not share the service without written consent.
another part of the TOS that people like to forget about is the final chapter where it says, "Cablevision may, in its sole discretion, change, modify, add or remove portions of this Agreement at any time. Cablevision may notify Subscriber of any such changes to this Agreement by posting notice of such changes on the Optimum Online Service, or sending notice via e-mail or postal mail". the FAQ hosted by OOL would constitute a posting on the Optimum Online Service and hold just as much legal binding as the TOS does. in the FAQ where it says you need an additional modem to use an additional computer it is part of the agreement we all made with cablevision to get OOL.
using a router is unmistakably a clear violation of the TOS but like P2P clients that violate server rules in the TOS enforcement of those policies is virtually impossible. it just doesnt make good financial sense to alienate your subscriber base by attacking the activities of a majority of them.
is it a violation of the TOS? yes, without a doubt.
is it a practice that OOL just accepts and does not try to enforce the prohibition of? yes, so far OOL has simply accepted the practice.
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
 ·Verizon FIOS
| We went through this already. You are NOT sharing with a third party. It is absolutely not against the TOS. Just as I can use cable TV on as many sets in my house, the same goes for the router.
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Have you tweaked your OOL connection? |
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TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| reply to dumwaldo
said by dumwaldo :
a router IS a violation of the TOS.
section 33 states "Subscriber may not resell, share, or otherwise distribute the Service or any portion thereof to any third party without the written consent of Cablevision".
Absolutely NOT. It says THIRD PARTY, if you share it among members of your family within your home then it is fine. The fact that it says THIRD PARTY, is designed to make it illegal to sell it or share it with your neighbors.
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