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metal1
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Melfa, VA | I thought routers were not allowed on OOL I was just curious I thought having a router connected to your ool account was a violation of the TOS | |
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dobby10
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clubs: | Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL Nope, routers are allowed on OOL. They are in no violation to the TOS.
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jefe
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Northport, NY | OOL doesn't support routers, but they don't prohibit them either. | |
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Bichon
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join:2002-10-10
Freehold, NJ | Routers aren't "supported" on OOL. In the sense that tech support won't help you get a router configured properly, and they may ask you to temporarily disconnect it when helping you troubleshoot a problem. But they aren't against the TOS. | |
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Jetta392
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Martinsville, NJ | Even if you are subnetting the IP address and not paying for a second or third IP address?
I can't believe that when I preview my post the word subnetting comes up in red.... | |
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jefe
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Northport, NY | Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL You're only getting one WAN IP address, and it's dynamic. OOL can change it at will.
The fact that you are issuing additional local IP's to your local machines isn't an issue. | |
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Jetta392
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL said by jefe  :
You're only getting one WAN IP address, and it's dynamic. OOL can change it at will.
The fact that you are issuing additional local IP's to your local machines isn't an issue.
This is what I'm trying to covey.
From the OOL website FAQs
3. Can I hook up more than one computer to my cable modem?
If you wish to subscribe to Optimum Online service on additional computers in your household, the monthly service fee for each additional computer is $39.95 and includes free use of a modem for the term of your service on that computer. If you prefer to purchase your additional modem(s) with your service, you may do so for $65 per additional modem.
How can you hook up more than one computer to a cable modem, with a router of course! They know it can be done with a Router, but it seems they don't want you to use the router for the purpose of internet access on two computers at the same time without the use of a second cable modem and an extra $39.95 per... | |
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL said by Jetta392 :
said by jefe :
You're only getting one WAN IP address, and it's dynamic. OOL can change it at will.
The fact that you are issuing additional local IP's to your local machines isn't an issue.
This is what I'm trying to covey.
From the OOL website FAQs
3. Can I hook up more than one computer to my cable modem?
If you wish to subscribe to Optimum Online service on additional computers in your household, the monthly service fee for each additional computer is $39.95 and includes free use of a modem for the term of your service on that computer. If you prefer to purchase your additional modem(s) with your service, you may do so for $65 per additional modem.
How can you hook up more than one computer to a cable modem, with a router of course! They know it can be done with a Router, but it seems they don't want you to use the router for the purpose of internet access on two computers at the same time without the use of a second cable modem and an extra $39.95 per...
Well Yes, if you want another full 10/1 account you would need to pay for the 2nd modem account. Where as with the router you are sharing your bandwidth | |
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| First that is the FAQ, NOT the TOS. The TOS governs your usage and there is nothing in there that forbids the use of routers. In another forum, the VP of Eng. for CV has helped people set up and troubleshoot their routers.
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL Routers are allowed. When you hook a router up, your only getting 1 "Public" IP address (which would be either 24.x.x.x or 67.x.x.x). The router, will then take that address, and do Network Address Translation to send the data to the computers on your network. Which are assigned "Private" IP addresses, which are not visible to anyone on the internet, thats off your network, which means it's harder to be hacked.
If you have 5 computers all hooked up to the same router, and you check your IP address from an internet site, you will see that all 5 computers are sharing that single IP. That's because the internet is seeing the router, and the router is passing the data to you. The internet is not seeing your computer directly.
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algorithm
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join:2001-07-23
Huntington, NY
| said by Jetta392 :
Even if you are subnetting the IP address and not paying for a second or third IP address?
I can't believe that when I preview my post the word subnetting comes up in red....
Thousands of OOL customers use routers and none have ever gotten any grief over it. The TOS is written to encourage the use of another modem and connection (more money for CV which is fair enough if you're willing to pay it) but there is no language which prohibits use of a router.
subnetting comes up in read because the spell checker doesn't consider it a valid word. | |
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Elite
join:2002-10-03
Orange, CT | If you are using 1 modem for 5 computers you are going to have some poor speeds. If you just pay the extra money you can have 10/1 on each computer. | |
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Bichon
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join:2002-10-10
Freehold, NJ
| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL said by Elite :
If you are using 1 modem for 5 computers you are going to have some poor speeds. If you just pay the extra money you can have 10/1 on each computer.
That's a bit of an overstatement. How many businesses and schools share a single T1 line (1.5mb) amongst dozens of computers? | |
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Warren, NJ | you can share with as many computer as you want as long as they are all yours and in your house, ool doesn't mind. | |
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Irish Shark
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Las Vegas, NV | Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL You can share 50 if you want. The speed may not be so great since it will be shared by 50 boxes, but you can do it.
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dumwaldo
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join:2001-03-12
| a router IS a violation of the TOS.
section 33 states "Subscriber may not resell, share, or otherwise distribute the Service or any portion thereof to any third party without the written consent of Cablevision".
a router shares the connection.
in section 20 it says "The Subscriber acknowledges that by "clicking" the Acceptance icon below, Subscriber is agreeing to the terms and conditions of this Agreement on behalf of all persons who use the Optimum Online Service or the Services through Subscriber's Computer". so lets look bck into section 1 and see a computer as defined for the OOL TOS is "An electronic device that can store, receive and process data and which has the minimum requirements necessary to operate Optimum Online as outlined in the consumer informational literature provided by Cablevision for Optimum Online". a router can NOT store data, it can NOT process data and it certainly does NOT meet the minimum system requirements on its own.
section 1 also outlines what a subscriber is and states very plainly, "Each member of your household and any other individual who uses the Computer and Optimum Online irrespective of the individual in whose name the account is in or who owns, rents or uses the premises on which the Computer is located". all through out the TOS you will find refrences to a COMPUTER being connected to the OOL network. nowhere is the word computer pluralized and the TOS even states that you may not share the service without written consent.
another part of the TOS that people like to forget about is the final chapter where it says, "Cablevision may, in its sole discretion, change, modify, add or remove portions of this Agreement at any time. Cablevision may notify Subscriber of any such changes to this Agreement by posting notice of such changes on the Optimum Online Service, or sending notice via e-mail or postal mail". the FAQ hosted by OOL would constitute a posting on the Optimum Online Service and hold just as much legal binding as the TOS does. in the FAQ where it says you need an additional modem to use an additional computer it is part of the agreement we all made with cablevision to get OOL.
using a router is unmistakably a clear violation of the TOS but like P2P clients that violate server rules in the TOS enforcement of those policies is virtually impossible. it just doesnt make good financial sense to alienate your subscriber base by attacking the activities of a majority of them.
is it a violation of the TOS? yes, without a doubt.
is it a practice that OOL just accepts and does not try to enforce the prohibition of? yes, so far OOL has simply accepted the practice.
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GeekNJ
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL We went through this already. You are NOT sharing with a third party. It is absolutely not against the TOS. Just as I can use cable TV on as many sets in my house, the same goes for the router.
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Dog And Butterfly
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join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| said by dumwaldo :
a router IS a violation of the TOS.
section 33 states "Subscriber may not resell, share, or otherwise distribute the Service or any portion thereof to any third party without the written consent of Cablevision".
Absolutely NOT. It says THIRD PARTY, if you share it among members of your family within your home then it is fine. The fact that it says THIRD PARTY, is designed to make it illegal to sell it or share it with your neighbors.
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dumwaldo
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| thanks for YOUR INTERPETATION.
the 'spirit of the TOS' clearly reflects the fact that the service is to be used by ONE computer and no more than that. dont worry i promis i wont mention you are a TOS violator next time you are bashing someone because you dont like their TOS violation, just like i have refrained in the past. i posted here because this guy asked a question and was handed a bunch of rhetoric instead of legitimate information.
i don't fault you guys, its called denial. you really believe what you are saying so there is no point debating it with people trying to justify their own actions. i posted for the guy that asked if it is a violation of OOL TOS because it IS A VIOLATION OF OOL TOS.
have a nice day guys 
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Dog And Butterfly
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Yonkers, NY
| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL Sorry if you can not understand what it actually says, this is not an interpretation. It is simply reading what is said, it has nothing to do with a spirit of the TOS, it is about the words that they use. You can not interpret THIRD PARTY any other way.
Again there is much more in the TOS that any court would say allows the sharing within a household. One example is belowquote:
20. Multiple Users: The Subscriber acknowledges that by "clicking" the Acceptance icon below, Subscriber is agreeing to the terms and conditions of this Agreement on behalf of all persons who use the Optimum Online Service or the Services through Subscriber's Computer. Subscriber shall be responsible for ensuring that all Subscribers understand and comply with the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Subscriber acknowledges and agrees that the Subscriber is responsible and liable for any and all breaches of the terms and conditions of this Agreement, whether such breach is the result of use of the Optimum Online Service or Services.
It is impossible to interpret THIRD PARTY in any way that would forbid using a router to share within you house among family members.
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dumwaldo
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL try every person that has ever called OOL tech support.
why do you think the FIRST thing they tell EVERYBODY is to disconnect your router. they dont support it? what the hell does that mean? it means it is against their usage guidelines. it means it is against the terms of service. it means you have no permission to run multiple computers connected to one modem. it means your agreement is to have a MODEM connected to a COMPUTER not to have a modem connected to a router connected to a series of computers.
if i call OOL tech support and ask them why my HTTP server is not working they say they cant help because they dont support it. if i call OOL tech support and tell them my server rack is having connectivity problems connecting with my cable modem they would say they cant help because they don't support it. they dont support it means you are NOT allowed to do it.
BLAHHHHH why the hell did i even reply to this? im such a freakin idiot, i should have known better than to say something that doesnt agree with the resident troll mob.
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Dog And Butterfly
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL said by dumwaldo :
try every person that has ever called OOL tech support.
why do you think the FIRST thing they tell EVERYBODY is to disconnect your router. they dont support it? what the hell does that mean? it means it is against their usage guidelines.
NO it means they will not troubleshoot your connection because of the added complexity of using a router. You are completely wrong on this, the TOS does not forbid routers and it is the contract between you and OOL.
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jefe
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Northport, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| I put my first call in to tech support in a long time a few days ago. I just needed to register the MAC on my spare modem and get them to remove my SB4100 from my account.
After the change was made the tech wanted me to boot up the new modem so she could check it out from her end, and make sure it worked on my end. First thing I asked was "you don't mind if I leave my router inline, do you?" "Nope. No problem" was the answer.
Now if I couldn't connect my PC to the new modem and I wanted her help, no doubt she would've asked me to take the router out of the circuit for exactly the reasons TWG elaborated. But as long as my connection worked, which it did, she couldn't care less that I was using a router like 80% of the other users are, and the remaining 20% should be. | |
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dumwaldo
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL they wont brick you if you mention you are running a peer to peer app either so i guess running those SERVERS are allowed now.
try reading my WHOLE POST and notice i said they DONT ENFORCE it.
and my regards BACK to the leader of the resident troll mob. on any other forum you would be labeled a spammer. you post more on this one forum than any other member on this entire site posts on multiple forums. i would ignore you but you are in EVERY FREAKIN THREAD on this forum with your spam rantings and telling people how it is because for some reason lex never does anything about your excessive postings. if ever there was a member that the watch list was made for it is you but you never seem to be placed there, WHERE TROLLS LIKE YOU BELONG.
hytekcomputers,
i have read your past postings and i take it as a compliment when someone like you rolls their eyes at me.
Jetta392,
what lex has to say holds no more relevance than what i have to say. he is not an agent of cablevision in any capacity. you will not get E88 to say it is allowed either because i am sure he knows better than to offer permission to violate the TOS.
GeekNJ,
thank you for taking this to the lioptonline group and further adding proof that routers are not permitted because not even Rick Spanbauer, an OOL employeee will validate what the people here are saying by stating it is allowed. rick, like E88 must know it would be a mistake to publicly state it is OK to violate the TOS.
just so you know it geek, i do not consider you part of the resident troll mob. you are at least willing to check things out and offer honest feedback. just like you did here when you mention that rick would NOT say routers are allowed. even if you do think i am unstable.
Rick NY
i dont get it are you saying that linux and Mac's are lesser than a pentium 166 Mhz. system with windows 95? because that outlines MINIMUM (i wont be an asshole like josh and post a definition for you) requirements. last time i checked just about any mac is greater than those specs.
what does fall WELL UNDER those specifications is a router that has no processor, no harddrive, no ram and no operating system at all.
ALL OF YOU
go ahead and be as argumentative as you want because the bottom line is even the CV employees that communicate online with the members will not verify what you are saying because those that know what they are talking about know it is a violation of the TOS. when asked for a simple yes answer Rick Spanbaur did not say the word yes anywhere in his reply because the answer is indeed NO.
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL I change my mind from Have a Good year
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DefMan
join:2002-02-20
Elmont, NY
| Dumwaldo, you a plant for OOL? I'm asking because you created a thread labeled, "OOL is faster than advertised - why no compliments" a while back and now this. Seriously, you haven't been hired by OOL to weed us out one by one haven't you? Trying to get us in trouble so we can compromise with OOL to buy more modems or get BOOL?  | |
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Jetta392
Premium
join:2002-07-14
Martinsville, NJ
| Well we all know we are doing the same thing right now with our operating systems. How many of you out there have installed a copy of Windows on another computer in the house from the same disk?
As far as third party goes I understand. What they mean is in the example of CATV you cannot take your cable line and run it to the neighbors house. But you can hook up multiple TV's to one incoming line in your own home.. This is big TOS and in violation. | |
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dumwaldo
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL this point deserved its very own post.
said by Jetta392 :
What they mean is in the example of CATV you cannot take your cable line and run it to the neighbors house. But you can hook up multiple TV's to one incoming line in your own home.. This is big TOS and in violation.
you may NOT hook up as many TV's as you want to a single incoming line. cablevision has charges for using additional sets and circumventing those charges would be considered theft of services. a crime.
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Las Vegas, NV | Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL Troll .... I am going to report you to the Mods. | |
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GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ
| said by dumwaldo :
you may NOT hook up as many TV's as you want to a single incoming line. cablevision has charges for using additional sets and circumventing those charges would be considered theft of services. a crime.
No. There is no per-set charge for cable tv. There's a per-set charge for a cable box, but for running a cable to any or as many TV's as you want is perfectly fine and not a violation of anything.
And I think this lack of understanding on your part clearly shows everyone the lack of understanding regarding your perception that using a router is a violation, when indeed it is not.
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| said by dumwaldo :
you may NOT hook up as many TV's as you want to a single incoming line. cablevision has charges for using additional sets and circumventing those charges would be considered theft of services. a crime.
They have additional outlet fees for iO. I can't find anything about them charging more per TV on analog cable without cable boxes.
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Fairfield, CT | ::rollseyes:: at dumbwaldo... | |
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Jetta392
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Martinsville, NJ | Any opinions, ideas, answers LEX or E88 on use of routers and TOS? | |
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Fairfield, CT
| It is not brain surgery. Routers are not supported; you can not call tech support and have them assist you in configuring it. In addition, if there is a problem and the cause was your router, CV will charge you for coming out on the service call. OOL does not restrict the use of routers; they simply do not support them.
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| Definition of support
said by dictionary.com:
sup·port Pronunciation Key (s-pôrt, -prt)
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To bear the weight of, especially from below.
To hold in position so as to keep from falling, sinking, or slipping.
To be capable of bearing; withstand: “His flaw'd heart... too weak the conflict to support” (Shakespeare).
To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.
To furnish corroborating evidence for: New facts supported her story.
To aid the cause, policy, or interests of: supported her in her election campaign.
To argue in favor of; advocate: supported lower taxes.
To endure; tolerate: “At supper there was such a conflux of company that I could scarcely support the tumult” (Samuel Johnson).
To act in a secondary or subordinate role to (a leading performer).
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The act of supporting.
The state of being supported.
One that supports.
Maintenance, as of a family, with the necessities of life.
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GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ
| Well, I asked the question on Yahoo. Now though the OOL person that responded wouldn't flat out "state policy" as he said it, he did say "but I would observe that many OOLers use routers" and "So why listen to anyone who
says otherwise on DSLR?".
'nough said!
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RickNY
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join:2000-11-02
New York
| #1 -- Why does The Wiz sell routers right next to to OOL? I suppose so that you can use them with DSL service provided by one of their competitors..
#2 -- When I called Customer Service to disconnect one of the modems from my upstair neighbors account for them, I was told by the rep "You know you can hook a router up to share the remaining modem with other computers, right?"
#3 -- In all honesty, in the long run -- Do you think its cheaper for Cablevision to supply a 10/1 pipe to one house and let the house worry about how its distributed, or do you think they'd rather have to worry about supplying enough bandwidth to support multiple modems in the same house? I think they would rather worry about "homes passed" rather than "modems passed" -- Utilizing multiple modems per house can potentially put extra load on a node, whereas one modem hooked to a router will not.
#4 - Dumwaldo -- I still scratch my head and wonder what the heck drives you to make the comments you make. There is no issue of "interpretation". Routers and connection sharing within the same household are totally acceptable and permissable under the TOS. Unlike servers, which are explicitly prohibited IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS IN THE TOS, the only stipulation is that the end-user does not share his connection with a THIRD PARTY -- someone outside the household.. If you want to blow literal smoke up everyone's ass, lets look at what a router can do and see where it does in fact meet the requirements of being the "Subscriber's Computer"...
1) Device that can store data: A router certainly has the ability to store data. Its firmware is stored in NVRAM.. Also, many access logs are store in NVRAM.. It does not stipulate what KIND of data it can store, nor the mechanism used to store data.
2) Device that can receive and process data: This REALLY should be self-explanatory.. A router is constantly processing data that comes in and out of it.. Its directing the traffic, moving it where its supposed to go, blocking whats not supposed to come in.. Logging incoming and outgoing access requests.. I don't know, where I come from, thats processing data.
3) Meet the minimum system requirements as outlined in the consumer informational literature: Well, Dumwaldo, lets look at those requirements:
166 Mhz Pentium processor
Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP or NT Workstation 4.0
32 MB of memory (64 MB recommended)
150 MB of hard disk space (350 MB recommended)
CD-ROM Drive Click TEST button
Network Card OR free USB port. (Use of USB requires Windows 98, 2000 or XP.)
(You can take a look at these requirements on www.optimumonline.com and clicking the System Requirements link on the bottom left.)
Well, lets see.. Right off the bat, we see that according to YOUR interpretation of the TOS, Linux users are out of luck.. And for that matter, so are Macintosh users.. Oh yeah, I dont have a CD-ROM drive in my "computer", so I guess I'm excluded as well. You want to get REALLY literal, nowhere on the requirements does it say "these are the MINIMUMS".. It says those are the REQUIREMENTS. So I have 512MB of RAM, Im breaking the TOS.. I have a 2.0Ghz Pentium 4, so I'm breaking the TOS there too...
A router can also be a standalone "computer" as you define it, such as a Linux box, or a Windows box set up solely as a router.. What then?
Just my 2 cents on these moronic comments that show up on this forum that make me want to stick a pen in my eye..
Rick
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL said by RickNY :
3) Meet the minimum system requirements as outlined in the consumer informational literature: Well, Dumwaldo, lets look at those requirements:
166 Mhz Pentium processor
Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP or NT Workstation 4.0
32 MB of memory (64 MB recommended)
150 MB of hard disk space (350 MB recommended)
CD-ROM Drive Click TEST button
Network Card OR free USB port. (Use of USB requires Windows 98, 2000 or XP.)
Good post and point.
Macintosh and Linux works with OOL, since there is no specific software that needs to be installed... OOL works on any operating system. The techs might not support those OS's, but it DOES work. So should those people have their service terminated for breaking the TOS?
I bet that a few Macintosh & Linux (Lindows OS, etc) users with OOL have read this by now.
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| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL said by Jmartz :
I bet that a few Macintosh & Linux (Lindows OS, etc) users with OOL have read this by now.
JoshNJ, I'm sorry... But you've got to go now.. You're in clear violation of the TOS... Either buy a new computer or dump your OOL connection. 
Rick
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jefe
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Northport, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| RickNY....
I agree with your epistle, except for #3. In all honesty, I think Cablevision would be happy to add enough bandwidth to supply all those extra $39.95/mo charges. They probably know, however, that their service is price point sensitive and forcing everyone to pay for multiple modems rather than go the way of the router would result in their losing a lot of customers.
FWIW, when Cablevision first got going on LI they had in their TOS that you needed to have them do any wiring to additional TV's, and you had to pay a few extra bux for each set. They finally saw the error of that philosophy and I'm guessing that lesson has carried over in to cable modem service.
Another 2.5¢ worth. | |
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dumwaldo
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join:2001-03-12
| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL i stand corrected about the routers not meeting minimum system requirements. OH WAIT they dont have a hard drive do they?
quote:
Rick/Wilt/Other "official" OOL representative:
There's a little discussion on the DSLReports forum regarding
routers. One of the less stable individuals there says:
[quote]
a router IS a violation of the TOS.
section 33 states "Subscriber may not resell, share, or otherwise
distribute the Service or any portion thereof to any third party
without the written consent of Cablevision".
a router shares the connection.
[/end quote]
Can we just put this to rest. Using a router is not sharing the
service with A THIRD PARTY and is perfectly acceptable, though not
supported.
Can someone from OOL just respond with "Yes" please.
Thanks!!!!
David
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Neither of us are here to state policy, but I would observe
that many OOLers use routers, and you know that we don't provide
customer support for routers. So why listen to anyone who
says otherwise on DSLR? You get what you pay for with
legal/medical and other professional advice :-D Rick
just so you know, rick did NOT say yes. when asked for a direct and simple answer he could not simply say yes.
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GeekNJ
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Waldwick, NJ
| Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL He didn't say NO and he even said, in reference to you, "So why listen to anyone who says otherwise on DSLR?"
And the following is off the »www.fcc.gov site:
Q2. Can operators using the benchmark rate methodology charge a monthly
additional outlet charge for NPTs?
A2. No. An additional outlet charge is not permitted except to the extent operators incur
additional programming costs when providing service to additional outlets. In the
Going Forward Order, the Commission determined that NPTs are CPSTs within the
meaning of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. See Going Forward Order
at note 3*. The Commission previously determined that because the Communications
Act required that equipment be priced on the basis of "actual cost," there is no basis in
the statute to allow operators to charge for the value of additional connections above
"actual cost." An exception exists for additional outlets used to provide per view or
per channel services because those services are completely unregulated under the
Communications Act. See First Order on Reconsideration, FCC 93-428 (adopted and
released August 27, 1993) at para. 54 & n. 87. Because NPTs are CPSTs under the
Communications Act, the actual cost standard applies and an additional outlet charge
is not allowed when more than one outlet is used to receive an NPT except to the
extent the operator incurs additional programming costs when providing service to
additional outlets.
NPT - Non Premium Tier
If you have no premiums (HBO, SHO, ect.) then they can only charge you for the cost of the
installation of the outlet.
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jaa
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join:2000-06-13 | Routers are allowed on OOL. | |
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jaa
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join:2000-06-13 | Nobody is arguing. Routers are permitted on OOL. | |
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