dumwaldo
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join:2001-03-12
| reply to metal1
Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL
thanks for YOUR INTERPETATION.
the 'spirit of the TOS' clearly reflects the fact that the service is to be used by ONE computer and no more than that. dont worry i promis i wont mention you are a TOS violator next time you are bashing someone because you dont like their TOS violation, just like i have refrained in the past. i posted here because this guy asked a question and was handed a bunch of rhetoric instead of legitimate information.
i don't fault you guys, its called denial. you really believe what you are saying so there is no point debating it with people trying to justify their own actions. i posted for the guy that asked if it is a violation of OOL TOS because it IS A VIOLATION OF OOL TOS.
have a nice day guys 
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TheWiseGuy
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join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| Sorry if you can not understand what it actually says, this is not an interpretation. It is simply reading what is said, it has nothing to do with a spirit of the TOS, it is about the words that they use. You can not interpret THIRD PARTY any other way.
Again there is much more in the TOS that any court would say allows the sharing within a household. One example is belowquote:
20. Multiple Users: The Subscriber acknowledges that by "clicking" the Acceptance icon below, Subscriber is agreeing to the terms and conditions of this Agreement on behalf of all persons who use the Optimum Online Service or the Services through Subscriber's Computer. Subscriber shall be responsible for ensuring that all Subscribers understand and comply with the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Subscriber acknowledges and agrees that the Subscriber is responsible and liable for any and all breaches of the terms and conditions of this Agreement, whether such breach is the result of use of the Optimum Online Service or Services.
It is impossible to interpret THIRD PARTY in any way that would forbid using a router to share within you house among family members.
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Irish Shark
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join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV
| reply to dumwaldo
said by dumwaldo  :
thanks for YOUR INTERPETATION.
No, thank you for YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE TOS.
Let see, how many folks can you name that have been busted by OOL for using a router?
My guess is none.
Have a good year.
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dumwaldo
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join:2001-03-12
| try every person that has ever called OOL tech support.
why do you think the FIRST thing they tell EVERYBODY is to disconnect your router. they dont support it? what the hell does that mean? it means it is against their usage guidelines. it means it is against the terms of service. it means you have no permission to run multiple computers connected to one modem. it means your agreement is to have a MODEM connected to a COMPUTER not to have a modem connected to a router connected to a series of computers.
if i call OOL tech support and ask them why my HTTP server is not working they say they cant help because they dont support it. if i call OOL tech support and tell them my server rack is having connectivity problems connecting with my cable modem they would say they cant help because they don't support it. they dont support it means you are NOT allowed to do it.
BLAHHHHH why the hell did i even reply to this? im such a freakin idiot, i should have known better than to say something that doesnt agree with the resident troll mob.
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TheWiseGuy
Dog And Butterfly
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join:2002-07-04
Yonkers, NY
| said by dumwaldo :
try every person that has ever called OOL tech support.
why do you think the FIRST thing they tell EVERYBODY is to disconnect your router. they dont support it? what the hell does that mean? it means it is against their usage guidelines.
NO it means they will not troubleshoot your connection because of the added complexity of using a router. You are completely wrong on this, the TOS does not forbid routers and it is the contract between you and OOL.
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jefe
Premium
join:2001-05-19
Northport, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to dumwaldo
I put my first call in to tech support in a long time a few days ago. I just needed to register the MAC on my spare modem and get them to remove my SB4100 from my account.
After the change was made the tech wanted me to boot up the new modem so she could check it out from her end, and make sure it worked on my end. First thing I asked was "you don't mind if I leave my router inline, do you?" "Nope. No problem" was the answer.
Now if I couldn't connect my PC to the new modem and I wanted her help, no doubt she would've asked me to take the router out of the circuit for exactly the reasons TWG elaborated. But as long as my connection worked, which it did, she couldn't care less that I was using a router like 80% of the other users are, and the remaining 20% should be. |
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Irish Shark
Play Like A Champion Today
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join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV
| reply to dumwaldo
said by dumwaldo :
try every person that has ever called OOL tech support.
why do you think the FIRST thing they tell EVERYBODY is to disconnect your router. they dont support it? what the hell does that mean? it means it is against their usage guidelines. it means it is against the terms of service. it means you have no permission to run multiple computers connected to one modem. it means your agreement is to have a MODEM connected to a COMPUTER not to have a modem connected to a router connected to a series of computers.
Just read your statement and you can see where is does not make any sense.
If I call TS and tell them that I have a router, why wouldn't the TS folk just brick my MODEM for violating the TOS?
They don't, because it is not against the TOS.
Best regards, the resident troll mob
Have a nice year
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Jetta392
Premium
join:2002-07-14
Martinsville, NJ
| reply to metal1
Well we all know we are doing the same thing right now with our operating systems. How many of you out there have installed a copy of Windows on another computer in the house from the same disk?
As far as third party goes I understand. What they mean is in the example of CATV you cannot take your cable line and run it to the neighbors house. But you can hook up multiple TV's to one incoming line in your own home.. This is big TOS and in violation. |
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hytekcomputer
join:2001-02-05
Fairfield, CT | reply to metal1
::rollseyes:: at dumbwaldo... |
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Jetta392
Premium
join:2002-07-14
Martinsville, NJ | reply to metal1
Any opinions, ideas, answers LEX or E88 on use of routers and TOS? |
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hytekcomputer
join:2001-02-05
Fairfield, CT
| reply to metal1
It is not brain surgery. Routers are not supported; you can not call tech support and have them assist you in configuring it. In addition, if there is a problem and the cause was your router, CV will charge you for coming out on the service call. OOL does not restrict the use of routers; they simply do not support them.
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Irish Shark
Play Like A Champion Today
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join:2000-07-29
Las Vegas, NV | reply to Jetta392
Read here »Optimum Online FAQ »Am I allowed use a router to share my connection? |
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JoshNJ
Premium
join:2001-12-25
Freehold, NJ
| reply to metal1
Definition of support
said by dictionary.com:
sup·port Pronunciation Key (s-pôrt, -prt)
tr.v. sup·port·ed, sup·port·ing, sup·ports
To bear the weight of, especially from below.
To hold in position so as to keep from falling, sinking, or slipping.
To be capable of bearing; withstand: “His flaw'd heart... too weak the conflict to support” (Shakespeare).
To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.
To furnish corroborating evidence for: New facts supported her story.
To aid the cause, policy, or interests of: supported her in her election campaign.
To argue in favor of; advocate: supported lower taxes.
To endure; tolerate: “At supper there was such a conflux of company that I could scarcely support the tumult” (Samuel Johnson).
To act in a secondary or subordinate role to (a leading performer).
n.
The act of supporting.
The state of being supported.
One that supports.
Maintenance, as of a family, with the necessities of life.
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GeekNJ
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join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
|  reply to metal1
Well, I asked the question on Yahoo. Now though the OOL person that responded wouldn't flat out "state policy" as he said it, he did say "but I would observe that many OOLers use routers" and "So why listen to anyone who
says otherwise on DSLR?".
'nough said!
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RickNY
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join:2000-11-02
Manorville, NY
| reply to metal1
#1 -- Why does The Wiz sell routers right next to to OOL? I suppose so that you can use them with DSL service provided by one of their competitors..
#2 -- When I called Customer Service to disconnect one of the modems from my upstair neighbors account for them, I was told by the rep "You know you can hook a router up to share the remaining modem with other computers, right?"
#3 -- In all honesty, in the long run -- Do you think its cheaper for Cablevision to supply a 10/1 pipe to one house and let the house worry about how its distributed, or do you think they'd rather have to worry about supplying enough bandwidth to support multiple modems in the same house? I think they would rather worry about "homes passed" rather than "modems passed" -- Utilizing multiple modems per house can potentially put extra load on a node, whereas one modem hooked to a router will not.
#4 - Dumwaldo -- I still scratch my head and wonder what the heck drives you to make the comments you make. There is no issue of "interpretation". Routers and connection sharing within the same household are totally acceptable and permissable under the TOS. Unlike servers, which are explicitly prohibited IN BIG CAPITAL LETTERS IN THE TOS, the only stipulation is that the end-user does not share his connection with a THIRD PARTY -- someone outside the household.. If you want to blow literal smoke up everyone's ass, lets look at what a router can do and see where it does in fact meet the requirements of being the "Subscriber's Computer"...
1) Device that can store data: A router certainly has the ability to store data. Its firmware is stored in NVRAM.. Also, many access logs are store in NVRAM.. It does not stipulate what KIND of data it can store, nor the mechanism used to store data.
2) Device that can receive and process data: This REALLY should be self-explanatory.. A router is constantly processing data that comes in and out of it.. Its directing the traffic, moving it where its supposed to go, blocking whats not supposed to come in.. Logging incoming and outgoing access requests.. I don't know, where I come from, thats processing data.
3) Meet the minimum system requirements as outlined in the consumer informational literature: Well, Dumwaldo, lets look at those requirements:
166 Mhz Pentium processor
Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP or NT Workstation 4.0
32 MB of memory (64 MB recommended)
150 MB of hard disk space (350 MB recommended)
CD-ROM Drive Click TEST button
Network Card OR free USB port. (Use of USB requires Windows 98, 2000 or XP.)
(You can take a look at these requirements on www.optimumonline.com and clicking the System Requirements link on the bottom left.)
Well, lets see.. Right off the bat, we see that according to YOUR interpretation of the TOS, Linux users are out of luck.. And for that matter, so are Macintosh users.. Oh yeah, I dont have a CD-ROM drive in my "computer", so I guess I'm excluded as well. You want to get REALLY literal, nowhere on the requirements does it say "these are the MINIMUMS".. It says those are the REQUIREMENTS. So I have 512MB of RAM, Im breaking the TOS.. I have a 2.0Ghz Pentium 4, so I'm breaking the TOS there too...
A router can also be a standalone "computer" as you define it, such as a Linux box, or a Windows box set up solely as a router.. What then?
Just my 2 cents on these moronic comments that show up on this forum that make me want to stick a pen in my eye..
Rick
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DefMan
join:2002-02-20
Elmont, NY
| reply to dumwaldo
Dumwaldo, you a plant for OOL? I'm asking because you created a thread labeled, "OOL is faster than advertised - why no compliments" a while back and now this. Seriously, you haven't been hired by OOL to weed us out one by one haven't you? Trying to get us in trouble so we can compromise with OOL to buy more modems or get BOOL?  |
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Jmartz
join:2000-07-20
Tenafly, NJ
| reply to RickNY
said by RickNY :
3) Meet the minimum system requirements as outlined in the consumer informational literature: Well, Dumwaldo, lets look at those requirements:
166 Mhz Pentium processor
Windows 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP or NT Workstation 4.0
32 MB of memory (64 MB recommended)
150 MB of hard disk space (350 MB recommended)
CD-ROM Drive Click TEST button
Network Card OR free USB port. (Use of USB requires Windows 98, 2000 or XP.)
Good post and point.
Macintosh and Linux works with OOL, since there is no specific software that needs to be installed... OOL works on any operating system. The techs might not support those OS's, but it DOES work. So should those people have their service terminated for breaking the TOS?
I bet that a few Macintosh & Linux (Lindows OS, etc) users with OOL have read this by now.
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jefe
Premium
join:2001-05-19
Northport, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to RickNY
RickNY....
I agree with your epistle, except for #3. In all honesty, I think Cablevision would be happy to add enough bandwidth to supply all those extra $39.95/mo charges. They probably know, however, that their service is price point sensitive and forcing everyone to pay for multiple modems rather than go the way of the router would result in their losing a lot of customers.
FWIW, when Cablevision first got going on LI they had in their TOS that you needed to have them do any wiring to additional TV's, and you had to pay a few extra bux for each set. They finally saw the error of that philosophy and I'm guessing that lesson has carried over in to cable modem service.
Another 2.5¢ worth. |
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RickNY
Premium
join:2000-11-02
Manorville, NY
| reply to Jmartz
said by Jmartz :
I bet that a few Macintosh & Linux (Lindows OS, etc) users with OOL have read this by now.
JoshNJ, I'm sorry... But you've got to go now.. You're in clear violation of the TOS... Either buy a new computer or dump your OOL connection. 
Rick
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dumwaldo
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join:2001-03-12
| reply to Irish Shark
they wont brick you if you mention you are running a peer to peer app either so i guess running those SERVERS are allowed now.
try reading my WHOLE POST and notice i said they DONT ENFORCE it.
and my regards BACK to the leader of the resident troll mob. on any other forum you would be labeled a spammer. you post more on this one forum than any other member on this entire site posts on multiple forums. i would ignore you but you are in EVERY FREAKIN THREAD on this forum with your spam rantings and telling people how it is because for some reason lex never does anything about your excessive postings. if ever there was a member that the watch list was made for it is you but you never seem to be placed there, WHERE TROLLS LIKE YOU BELONG.
hytekcomputers,
i have read your past postings and i take it as a compliment when someone like you rolls their eyes at me.
Jetta392,
what lex has to say holds no more relevance than what i have to say. he is not an agent of cablevision in any capacity. you will not get E88 to say it is allowed either because i am sure he knows better than to offer permission to violate the TOS.
GeekNJ,
thank you for taking this to the lioptonline group and further adding proof that routers are not permitted because not even Rick Spanbauer, an OOL employeee will validate what the people here are saying by stating it is allowed. rick, like E88 must know it would be a mistake to publicly state it is OK to violate the TOS.
just so you know it geek, i do not consider you part of the resident troll mob. you are at least willing to check things out and offer honest feedback. just like you did here when you mention that rick would NOT say routers are allowed. even if you do think i am unstable.
Rick NY
i dont get it are you saying that linux and Mac's are lesser than a pentium 166 Mhz. system with windows 95? because that outlines MINIMUM (i wont be an asshole like josh and post a definition for you) requirements. last time i checked just about any mac is greater than those specs.
what does fall WELL UNDER those specifications is a router that has no processor, no harddrive, no ram and no operating system at all.
ALL OF YOU
go ahead and be as argumentative as you want because the bottom line is even the CV employees that communicate online with the members will not verify what you are saying because those that know what they are talking about know it is a violation of the TOS. when asked for a simple yes answer Rick Spanbaur did not say the word yes anywhere in his reply because the answer is indeed NO.
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