Irish Shark
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| reply to dumwaldo
Re: I thought routers were not allowed on OOL
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dumwaldo
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this point deserved its very own post.
said by Jetta392  :
What they mean is in the example of CATV you cannot take your cable line and run it to the neighbors house. But you can hook up multiple TV's to one incoming line in your own home.. This is big TOS and in violation.
you may NOT hook up as many TV's as you want to a single incoming line. cablevision has charges for using additional sets and circumventing those charges would be considered theft of services. a crime.
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GeekNJ
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said by dumwaldo :
you may NOT hook up as many TV's as you want to a single incoming line. cablevision has charges for using additional sets and circumventing those charges would be considered theft of services. a crime.
No. There is no per-set charge for cable tv. There's a per-set charge for a cable box, but for running a cable to any or as many TV's as you want is perfectly fine and not a violation of anything.
And I think this lack of understanding on your part clearly shows everyone the lack of understanding regarding your perception that using a router is a violation, when indeed it is not.
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Jmartz
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said by dumwaldo :
you may NOT hook up as many TV's as you want to a single incoming line. cablevision has charges for using additional sets and circumventing those charges would be considered theft of services. a crime.
They have additional outlet fees for iO. I can't find anything about them charging more per TV on analog cable without cable boxes.
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mikepd
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A router most certainly does contain a processor, memory and an operating system. Here are the specs for my router/ICSA firewall which is a Zywall 10II:
Key specs
Processor: Toshiba 3927 @ 133 MHz
Co-processor: SafeNet SafeXcel 1140 (VPN)
RAM: 16MB
ROM: 4MB flash
WAN: 10/100
LAN:10/100
The operating system is:
Bootbase Version: V1.05 | 03/12/2002 16:55:33
RAM: Size = 16384 Kbytes
FLASH: Intel 32M
ZyNOS Version: V3.50(WF.1) | 07/25/2002 10:51:05
The co-processor allows it to do 3DES encryption at 10mbps.
Like a pc the router OS is backed up by a 3v battery and can sync with a time server for accuracy. There is non-volatile ram for log storage which can be cleared by the user.
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jaa
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I find it hard to believe this discussion is still going on. Routers are allowed on OOL, but not supported. There is no additional charge for additional TVs in CT. These are simple, undisputed facts.
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dumwaldo
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| reply to mikepd
i stand corrected about the routers not meeting minimum system requirements. OH WAIT they dont have a hard drive do they?
quote:
Rick/Wilt/Other "official" OOL representative:
There's a little discussion on the DSLReports forum regarding
routers. One of the less stable individuals there says:
[quote]
a router IS a violation of the TOS.
section 33 states "Subscriber may not resell, share, or otherwise
distribute the Service or any portion thereof to any third party
without the written consent of Cablevision".
a router shares the connection.
[/end quote]
Can we just put this to rest. Using a router is not sharing the
service with A THIRD PARTY and is perfectly acceptable, though not
supported.
Can someone from OOL just respond with "Yes" please.
Thanks!!!!
David
quote:
Neither of us are here to state policy, but I would observe
that many OOLers use routers, and you know that we don't provide
customer support for routers. So why listen to anyone who
says otherwise on DSLR? You get what you pay for with
legal/medical and other professional advice :-D Rick
just so you know, rick did NOT say yes. when asked for a direct and simple answer he could not simply say yes.
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jaa
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Routers are allowed on OOL. |
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DefMan
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| reply to jaa
Almost 20 years with CV we connect 6 TV's with one line. No box. CV never had a prob with it, even when our last visit by an installer which was almost 15 years ago. Now, this will all end come Jan. 1st.
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Irish Shark
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jaa, we have a perfectly good thread until someone decided to turn it upside down.
Just put him on ignore, like the rest of are going to do.
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GeekNJ
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| reply to dumwaldo
He didn't say NO and he even said, in reference to you, "So why listen to anyone who says otherwise on DSLR?"
And the following is off the »www.fcc.gov site:
Q2. Can operators using the benchmark rate methodology charge a monthly
additional outlet charge for NPTs?
A2. No. An additional outlet charge is not permitted except to the extent operators incur
additional programming costs when providing service to additional outlets. In the
Going Forward Order, the Commission determined that NPTs are CPSTs within the
meaning of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. See Going Forward Order
at note 3*. The Commission previously determined that because the Communications
Act required that equipment be priced on the basis of "actual cost," there is no basis in
the statute to allow operators to charge for the value of additional connections above
"actual cost." An exception exists for additional outlets used to provide per view or
per channel services because those services are completely unregulated under the
Communications Act. See First Order on Reconsideration, FCC 93-428 (adopted and
released August 27, 1993) at para. 54 & n. 87. Because NPTs are CPSTs under the
Communications Act, the actual cost standard applies and an additional outlet charge
is not allowed when more than one outlet is used to receive an NPT except to the
extent the operator incurs additional programming costs when providing service to
additional outlets.
NPT - Non Premium Tier
If you have no premiums (HBO, SHO, ect.) then they can only charge you for the cost of the
installation of the outlet.
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jaa
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Nobody is arguing. Routers are permitted on OOL. |
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Bobcat
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| reply to DefMan
said by DefMan :
Almost 20 years with CV we connect 6 TV's with one line. No box. CV never had a prob with it, even when our last visit by an installer which was almost 15 years ago. Now, this will all end come Jan. 1st.
When we had TKR here, you had to pay based on the number of sets hooked up. When the installer came out and saw my 5-way splitter (but I only had one TV), he said that was "illegal". Now, Cablevision lets you connect as many TVs as you want.
What happens on Jan 1st?
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Irish Shark
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| said by Bobcat :
What happens on Jan 1st?
Bob, what happens on 1.01.03? I am not being a wise arse.
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ | I don't know. That's why I'm asking. |
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GeekNJ
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| Is that the date that premiums will be on io only in certain locations and no longer available on the old Analog converters? If so, he'll need a tech visit (after 1 years) to get io installed.
If not, I don't know why.
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Irish Shark
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GeekNJ
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| Besides a revenue increase, the elimination of analog channels provides more bandwidth for digital channels. Especially those analog channels that are already broadcast digitally.
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La Luna
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said by GeekNJ :
Is that the date that premiums will be on io only in certain locations and no longer available on the old Analog converters? If so, he'll need a tech visit (after 1 years) to get io installed.
If not, I don't know why.
Unless of course having multiple premiums on one iO hookup are against the TOS......
I can't believe what I've been reading. geez....
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