Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
Premium
join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| Why bother
Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
And even better...
"For example, on longer phone lines, ADSL2 will provide a data rate increase of 50 kbps—a significant increase. This data rate increase also produces an increase in reach of about 600 feet, which translates to an increase in coverage area of about six percent, or 2.5 square miles."
Wooohooo...a whopping 50kbps, 600 feet...WOW...totally worthless! In about a zillion years they'll have enough range to reach me at 60,000ft from the nearest CO. Hell, telcos can even measure their copper runs accurate to 600ft. I'm serviced at my office at an actual copper length of 19,200ft...while Verizon originally estimated under 15,000ft.
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson
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TheDarkElf
Thehappyelf
join:2001-02-12
Mclean, VA
clubs: | i agree, i want DSL. but 600 feet aint gonna cut it to get as far as i am. *Worthless technology alert* |
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zoom314
Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| said by TheDarkElf  :
i agree, i want DSL. but 600 feet aint gonna cut it to get as far as i am. *Worthless technology alert*
Yeah, 600 feet is Totally Worthless at 26,600 feet versus 16,000 feet Verizon (ex-GTE) maximum or 10,600 feet to go before I could get ADSL, Which is about how far My CO is from where I live. The Best I can do is Charter Pipeline, But I'm on a New Network that has very few problems and was recently completed where I live (in My part of town at least). So I'll stay with Charter, ISDN is available via Verizon, And ISDN is costly Internet Access with Verizon (ex-GTE) and is not much better than Dialup too.
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jdir
join:2001-05-04
Santa Clara, CA |  reply to Count Hogula$
Why bother for ADSL2 at all - It still will be 768Kbps down and 128Kbps up for $50 a month - if you can get it.
Now if the ILEC offering 10Mbps down for $12 to $15 a month |
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supportguy8
join:2002-11-13
New Glarus, WI
| reply to TheDarkElf
A technology that I've started seeing is IDSL, using ISDN technology to get the DSL signal out way past the 18kft mark.
Cisco has the hardware and its started to be sold by TDS is some markets. I haven't seen the training info on it yet, but its much more promising than an extra 600 feet - why even bother reporting 600 extra feet? |
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timecop1111
@NE.JP
| reply to Count Hogula$
Dude. When you bash "shitty american DSL", always remember about other countries. Japan, for example, with its overpriced and non-existent coverage. Hell, Nome, Alaska probably has better broadband than majority of japs.
Entire country is stuck on 64k ISDN hahahaha, in 2003. |
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Michael S
@bradea.com | Dude, I live in Tokyo and I got 12MBit/s ADSL for about $25/month. So. |
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ijin
@co.jp
| reply to timecop1111
Umm...
12MBps ADSL has been available here in Japan for a while now for the price of roughly $20US/month. For $60US, you could even get FTTH (Fiber to the Home) - 100Mbps (although in practice, you only get about 40Mbps, but symmetrically). Nowadays, only the rural areas of Japan aren't covered by broadband. Perhaps you should pay attention to current events since you happen to live there (based on your domain). |
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TimeOut42
@swbell.ne | reply to timecop1111
My father lives in southern Mexico and has DSL at 256/128. It's a town that is smaller than many US cities that don't have DSL yet. |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
Premium
join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| reply to timecop1111
said by timecop1111:
Dude. When you bash "shitty american DSL", always remember about other countries. Japan, for example, with its overpriced and non-existent coverage. Hell, Nome, Alaska probably has better broadband than majority of japs.
Entire country is stuck on 64k ISDN hahahaha, in 2003.
Nice fiction guy. Other people from those countries report differently.
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radougherty
join:1999-07-23
Austin, TX | reply to supportguy8
Are you talking about something new or the same old IDSL that's only 144Kbps/144Kbps? |
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NanneBooBoo
@opera.com
| reply to timecop1111
I'm an American which has experienced both U.S. and Norway. I had great cable modem access in Clearwater, FL.. well until the network saturated and my original 300K bytes/sec downloads rarely ever were seen. Instead I came to expect maybe 30K bytes/sec.
Here in Norway, although deployment is a bit slow in some areas, government regulations require 98% or better coverage on all technologies from the Telco. This means that even though at the moment only 50% (estimated by me) can get up to 1024/256, within 2 years, 98% of the country will be able to get at least that much.
I personally receive 1024/512 for approximately $60 monthly which is about the same as $48/month + norwegian taxes.
Remember, this is Norway a fairly large country (california sized and mountainous) with a spread out small population (4.5 million). If they can do it, it's terribly pathetic that it isn't being done in the U.S.. |
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Ramone
@co.uk | reply to Count Hogula$
maybe he should have said UK and not Japan...where we have only just started having a 'reasonable' coverage with 0.5 mb ADSL! |
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BogusName
@sympatico.ca
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weebies$
| reply to NanneBooBoo
In Norway (and several other countries), it's about getting technology to the people that want it.
In the US, it's ENTIRELY about fighting over who'll make the money and the people be damned. |
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clickwir
join:2001-06-21
Dickson City, PA
| reply to Count Hogula$
Well also consider that the distance from the CO to the house can usually be tested... they usually test by measuring the load on the line. The more things you have plugged into the line (phones, fax, pc, callerID, etc.) all make the load more. Actually having a DSL modem as the only thing hooked to a given phone line will add about 9,000feet worth of "load" if someone were to check it from the CO. Most regular phones add about 1k-4kfeet of "load" to a line.
So unless they come out to the house and disconnect your phone line from the grey box (NID) and hook up the equipment there, it's very possible that it could be inaccurate by a few thousand feet. |
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Clewin
@metaphasetech.com
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600 feet is... almost... enough...
dang.
I'm 800 feet away from the second closest switching station, and since Qwest won't upgrade mine (apparently because they're broke, or something), so I need to get DSL from the further station (meaning only IDSL is available). If they could boost it another 200 feet or so, this would be great technology! Ah, well, guess I'm stuck with AT&T broadband for a while longer. |
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Clewin
@metaphasetech.com | reply to radougherty
no, it's ADSL, so it's much faster than IDSL. Typical speeds I've seen offered are 784/384 and 640/128, depending on area and provider. It doesn't appear there's going to be much of a speed improvement, though. |
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zoom314
Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| reply to Clewin
Well It could be worse, I could be stuck on dial-up and I just sold All of My dial-up modems 3-56k & 1-28.8k, So I'm on Charter Pipeline to stay, unless Verizon (ex-GTE) DSL comes My way. Not very Likely to be available near Me anytime soon I might add.:(
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Howard Brazee
@cusys.edu
| reply to Clewin
It might be good enough. QWEST told me for years that I was too far away to get DSL. One company even tried installing it on QWEST's equipment.
QWEST still thinks I can't get it. But I went to Earthlink and they installed it anyway. As long as I have something that looks like DSL, acts like DSL, and is called DSL by Earthlink, it doesn't matter what QWEST thinks. |
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DrTCP
Yours truly
Premium,ExMod 1999-04
join:1999-11-09
Round Rock, TX
| reply to Count Hogula$
said by Count Hogula$ :
Do we actually think for a moment that US telcos will adopt anything decent? Please...if it's not a patented US currency printing press or a customer cornholing machine...they won't be interested.
They will be interested.
Yes, in terms of extra coverage and bandwidth the new standard will be just a refinement but increased remote diagnostic capabilities and better handling of noise will reduce deployment (truck roll) and support costs. Some customers at the edge of the their loops will be able to get somewhat more stable connections.
Besides new chipsets will be ADSL2 anyways so they will get it like it or not.
Oh, many of the features of this technology is US patented (coming from Aware Inc »www.aware.com ) Plus it will be a standard under ISO which USA is a member of. |
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