clevere1
Premium
join:2002-01-06
Vancouver, WA | Wow!
It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ... |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| said by clevere1  :
It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ...
And it's not even 8000ft from the CO (about 1-1/2 miles)...it's 8,000ft of copper which in real distance is MUCH shorter. What a complete waste of time. It ranks up there with DOCSYS2 when DOCSYS one supports multimegabit speeds with zero problems.
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
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said by clevere1 :
It's good for a total of 8,000 feet! Instead of screwing around with short length technologies, why don't they develope something that has far better range .. like 15-30 miles from the telco ...
Thats ADSL2+ (not to be approved until '03) ADSL2 has an increase in service area! Yep a whopping 6% in distance (600 FT)!!! Whooh, I'm giddy, I'd better sit down...
Let's just say that if you didn't get DSL before, you don't get it now either. Yep 15-30 miles would be great, but we are talking about phone lines right?
On the bright side the diagnostic stuff sounds like a godsend to DSL providers. |
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to Count Hogula$
said by Count Hogula$ :
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
Yep, want to know how the "new technology" is going to impact you? Just look at how the last "new technology" was implemented.
The real problem is that the guys in charge have so very little motivating them to implement new and better things... |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| reply to AthlGrond
said by AthlGrond :
On the bright side the diagnostic stuff sounds like a godsend to DSL providers.
Yeah...now they can provide crappy service much more efficiently 
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AthlGrond
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join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| said by Count Hogula$ :
Yeah...now they can provide crappy service much more efficiently
Glad I didn't have to explain that! 
and if at some point in time the market suddenly has competition then we can have lower prices to go with the increase in efficiency! |
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
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join:2001-03-31
Brentwood, CA | reply to Count Hogula$
to you it might be crappy but to others its all they can get, and the cable co's dont look like they are doing any better.
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| said by guhuna :
to you it might be crappy but to others its all they can get, and the cable co's dont look like they are doing any better.
The lack of choice doesn't make it less crappy.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | reply to clevere1
I'm about 7000 feet of copper from the exchange... Maybe it'll work for me. |
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Peter van Dijk
@bit.nl | reply to Count Hogula$
Actually, in Europe (or specifically The Netherlands) several ISPs
offer a '2-8mbit' ADSL deal, with 2mbit guaranteed on the copper
and up to 8 if you're close enough. So they are indeed providing to the
limits of current technologies. |
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John Q Doe
@lmco.com
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...why don't they...
Simple answer: money.
There are already plenty of broadband technologies that will do 20,000 miles. They are just hugely expensive. You want 45 Mbps to your house, you have several choices, all very expensive.
The whole point of ADSL is to see how much bandwidth you can squeeze out of the POTS copper pair that is already in place, which saves the cost of stringing new media from point A to point B. |
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Eek2121
Lovin Verizon FIOS
join:2002-10-12
Flanders, NJ
| reply to Count Hogula$
said by Count Hogula$ :
And it's not even 8000ft from the CO (about 1-1/2 miles)...it's 8,000ft of copper which in real distance is MUCH shorter. What a complete waste of time. It ranks up there with DOCSYS2 when DOCSYS one supports multimegabit speeds with zero problems.
There is no point in offering 20Mb technologies when NO providers will provide to the limits of current technologies.
Umm, last time I checked, DOCSIS speed caps mentioned were the total speeds for the node, NOT per connection, so DOCSIS2 WOULD help, ALOT. |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| Actually the large improvement is for symmetrical applications (mainly for business apps like video conferencing). It just provides more stable downstream while providing faster upstream.
But unless providers change their MO and actually bother investing in new technologies...the whole point is moot. They aren't using docsis 1.1 to it's potential...so there is no point in moving to 2.0.
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solarified
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join:2002-11-02
Delafield, WI
clubs:
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7000 feet of copper from the C.O. and they won't hook you up? I have crummy CenturyTel 512/256 and I am getting full bandwidth at 11600 feet from the DMS remote. I know this as a fact as I had ISDN (it still does nothing) and the circuit had to be "engineered" for install, and I was home when the tech installed it. He said that when DSL would be available I could get it. $69.95 a month with 1 static IP. Your telco is handing you a load of manure. I am at the farthest end of the subscriber region and it does work. |
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
Premium
join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| My office is at 19,200ft with VerizonDSL and according to the local provisioning manager I'm getting consistent syncs of 608/128 and typical real speeds in the low 500's down and 128-140's up.
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Spike401
Fox Powered
join:2002-04-27
Labrador
| reply to Eek2121
Node speeds are scalable. ISP's _want_ you to think otherwise.
The less speed they can give per person, means just more people they can stuff on a node. Since the piece of coax per node is shared, there isnt any possible way they can provide the full 45000/10500 speeds to each user. Coax can only handle so much bandwidth. The shared nodes is the bottleneck. Only way they can provide fast service is to unshare the system, and make it dedicated, thus having a mini node for each subscriber at each persons household cable drop, fed by fibre or ethernet.
This would cost many millions.
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