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SSidlov
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| reply to Chillybott
Re: Capping Posts.......
said by Chillybott  :
so once they announce what the line in the sand is, all of these kiddie hax0r5/warez0r5 will toe that line w/o fear of any retribution and all of our service goes into the pot?
vagueness is good for the general public in a case like this, and if we're smart about our use we have nothing to worry about
The policy is vague and being vague hurts public confidence. Knowing where the line is drawn is a fundamental right, if OOL wants to shut down all users of P2P and multi-user forum software, they should come out and say so. E.G.: "We have decided that all P2P file sharing programs are violations of our TOS and will earn us $1 with the RIAA, as of January 1, 2003 we will be monitoring our network for this type of activity and will promptly brick your modem if you use one of these programs for more than 6 minutes in a 24 hour period. Additionally any upload traffic greater than 100mb per 24 hours will be cause for automatic bandwidth reduction. Download traffic will be limited to 500mb for all services during any 24 hour period. Reinstatement to the service will occur after a $500 fine or a reduced bandwidth that is 40% of our normal settings for 90 days. A cancellation surcharge of $200 will be assessed if you cancel your OOL service during the reduced bandwidth period.Two-time losers will not be allowed back on to the service at all., and must pay $500 processing fee for the cancellation " ---send us all an email it's cheap and within the terms of the TOS. Can you imagine -- something like this would bring screams of outrage from many users who, after going to watch a couple short films or Bloomberg TV all day or are paying members of MP3.COM for some music, will be cut off.
What the new TOS and ACP says is that if you are not a normal user with normal usage habits (whatever a normal user with normal habits is defined as) you can be bandwidth restricted or kicked off the system. Few people on the service use it to even half of it's potential, IMHO. Even with their fast access most people are not upgrading their antivirus definitions or putting on security patches from MS which should be a basic tenant of being on the Internet.
Telling what the policy actually is let's us all make a qualified judgement on the service's status. Not knowing what it is (since it is not strictly based on running P2P software or a FTP/Mail server) only leads to undue speculation as to what it may be or not be, witness these threads and the others on the forum.
If this this the first step towards tiered services, where having different configuration files is the lynchpin of that type of service change, then say it's a tiered service shake out and here's how you can become a beta tester for the new lower class of service. GR&D The whole thing is producing FUD. It the service gets tiered (and with so many people offering to pay more for the current service and CV so short of money), then maybe DSL will be a fair price/speed comparison. And DSL is not shared access the way DOCIS is, I can get 1mb DSL, I don't want to pay the price at this time but if 1mb service on OOL goes up to $99 then DSL is a contender.
Why is everyone looking for retribution? There was always retribution if you complained the service was slow, they monitored the node and figured out who the misuser was and either cut them off totally or had a chat with their parents if that was the case. The difference is now they appear to have written some program/script to do the monitoring automatically and the PROGRAM rather than a human being is making the change automatically. IF they can define the specs for a program/script to function, they can tell us what those parameters are, and define a reinstatement policy.
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Mcrobrewer
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| You the consumer... have the ultimate 'retribution'... Just stop paying your bill....
I dare anyone here who thinks this policy suxs to do that....
None of you will.... not even ones that got capped...
Follow the rules... adhere to the TOS, or leave..... Any thing else would be hypocritical...
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SSidlov
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| said by Mcrobrewer :
Follow the rules... adhere to the TOS, or leave..... Any thing else would be hypocritical...
How do you follow the TOS if you don't know the rule you're breaking? I'm NOT talking about Kazaa/Napster type stuff. If I have legitimate reasons to be a high bandwidth uploader because I'm working on a project or a client's database (say someone who has 500K customers on file and does a few million in sales every month of $50 items and wants to find an accounting error of a couple thousand before they close the month) or letting my daughter video conference with her grandmother who is out of state, how am I supposed to do that, follow the rules, if I don't know what the rule is?
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Mcrobrewer
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| said by SSidlov :
If I have legitimate reasons to be a high bandwidth uploader because I'm working on a project or a client's database
Do you have BOOL ( business OOL) OOL is for residential use not business
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SSidlov
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| said by Mcrobrewer :
said by SSidlov :
If I have legitimate reasons to be a high bandwidth uploader because I'm working on a project or a client's database
Do you have BOOL ( business OOL) OOL is for residential use not business
DEFINE RESIDENTIAL USE! Is it never calling the office? Is it never sending or getting email or files from the office? Is Residential use only for Fun and Games and the kids's Homework and Shopping or sending email and jokes to your family? (If it is you'll be happy with half of what OOL offers.) What about doing research? What about taking a professional course with an online University? What about doing volunteer work for a charity or open source group by contributing technical expertise? I have no idea what 'normal usage' in the ACP/TOS means, and you certainly have no clue either.
Life is not so black and white anymore. The productivity gains that Alan Greenspan claims the US has had is based on the fact that the 40 hour work week is very very dead for the middle class professionals. Everyone I know is working 60-80 hours a week and you better pray they don't can you when they call you on the weekend and you've booked something else and are unavailable. You are a lucky fellow if you can use your Inet access to get into the companies' systems, you might even get to see your family while you work. Few if any companies will pay for Inet access from home anymore, after all you have it already don't you? You never send email to the office? A file? Is paying $1200 a year for BOOL going to give you a tax break with the 2% expense cap when you are an employee or just cost you $600 that you could have spent on the kids or wife? And the IRS is going to ask if you used all the hours (650+a month) for business use and where's the time sheets proving it. You can't even put the usage back on the companies expense sheet, we don't get the kind of billing breakdown that would show that on such and such a day you moved so much data like the days when CompuServe charged $25/hr for prime time at 1200/2400 baud.
You are severely out of touch with reality.
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JohnDee6
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|  said by SSidlov :
said by Mcrobrewer :
said by SSidlov :
If I have legitimate reasons to be a high bandwidth uploader because I'm working on a project or a client's database
Do you have BOOL ( business OOL) OOL is for residential use not business
DEFINE RESIDENTIAL USE! Is it never calling the office? Is it never sending or getting email or files from the office? Is Residential use only for Fun and Games and the kids's Homework and Shopping or sending email and jokes to your family? (If it is you'll be happy with half of what OOL offers.) What about doing research? What about taking a professional course with an online University? What about doing volunteer work for a charity or open source group by contributing technical expertise? I have no idea what 'normal usage' in the ACP/TOS means, and you certainly have no clue either.
Life is not so black and white anymore. The productivity gains that Alan Greenspan claims the US has had is based on the fact that the 40 hour work week is very very dead for the middle class professionals. Everyone I know is working 60-80 hours a week and you better pray they don't can you when they call you on the weekend and you've booked something else and are unavailable. You are a lucky fellow if you can use your Inet access to get into the companies' systems, you might even get to see your family while you work. Few if any companies will pay for Inet access from home anymore, after all you have it already don't you? You never send email to the office? A file? Is paying $1200 a year for BOOL going to give you a tax break with the 2% expense cap when you are an employee or just cost you $600 that you could have spent on the kids or wife? And the IRS is going to ask if you used all the hours (650+a month) for business use and where's the time sheets proving it. You can't even put the usage back on the companies expense sheet, we don't get the kind of billing breakdown that would show that on such and such a day you moved so much data like the days when CompuServe charged $25/hr for prime time at 1200/2400 baud.
You are severely out of touch with reality.
A very excellent post indeed. One who knows what forums are about.....congrats. I have to differ with just a few things. The numbers os complaints, per OOL contact is less that 1/10 of a percent. the ones they are now alienating is well over 10%, climbing. The upcoming fall out will be a mess. To be practical, they, like any good company, must meet the needs of the consumers. Especially in these field where technology moves very fast. applications, etc. are far outpacing the bandwidth. If OOL fails to meet theses needs others will, and fast. all it takes is one to two satellites. the speeds that P2P are now using are only a
preview of what is to come. Today's P2P is tomorrow's turtle. as has been computing for years. From processors, to memory, to baud's of modems, to hard disk size, on and on. no one Thought US Robotics would be gone, in our BBS days. Or QuaterDeck. Or Compuserve, on and on. If OOL is to survive it has to keep pace. .... period!. or it goes in the hopper. P2P in many forms is here to stay. just the present filer sharing has a base of over 53 million and growing rapidly. OOL cannot stop the push for ever expanding need for width. It can in the present moment. do antagonistic things and drive away customers. but if it is not forward looking, it is history. most of the world now runs on satellite, not fiber optics. It is here and it is serious competition. This present stand of abuse to the customers, and not expanding is certain death due to the pace of the industry. They do not even want now to allow video cams. how common is that? how many are pushing them, giving them away, etc. All for the consumer not to use? They are at odds with the computing industry, and it is a sure way to go under. We warned them of this path, at stock holder meetings. We said to put the money into OOL, NOT CV for iO. This is why they are behind. iO is a looser. billions, and I mean big billions (for the doubters, get an annual report and a prospectus). Very most do not care to have iO, are very happy with analog. The "threat" of sat. TV was drastically over-stated. Very many went to sat. And returned. Selling it now is a very "niche market. the ROI (return on Investment, for the turkeys reading this) will be in divisions, not multiples. Add a few channels if you
must. but stay happy with best analog. Put the money into OOL ... do sisdoc 2. expand. Do as AOL did when they were over sold. Talk, promise, placate, expand. turn NO customer away. meet their needs. These are the things that raise capital, make a good company. You have something goo, and you have people begging for it and more? That is a dream senior for both company and investors. OOL is in that place and blowing it. Call, hire Steve Case!!!!! Expand or die. this next stock holders meeting is bound to be a real mess. Looks like the stock downgrade will be a "Christmas present" for CV/OOL. Just as the ads are rolling out all the new goodies that arrive under the tree, clamoring for bandwidth use, go online, and .....surprise!!!......Big Mother (OOL) says NO, you cannot use that new toy on here!!! A small hint of the future. and a glimpse of a working/proven biz model. | |
Mcrobrewer
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JohnDee6
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| [[/QUOTE] said by Mcrobrewer :
Johndee still wondering who you talked to and what they told you????
In which thing please.....I speak to many that we put up here as info. Many, many other places too. Please ask me which specifically. that last one was bigtime long. and Now I have to go do 4 pages on satelites and P2P and international law vs US copyrights. We have so many sources here in our info-net is why I as you this, to be acurate to you question. Thanks. | |
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