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Calling the ATA186 with Netmeeting?

said by gatzdon:

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I am curious because if doing so while on Vonage is possible, then internationally, people could call me for free.

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>I think the first hurdle is for us to find such
>a service and then lobby with Vonage to configure
>our second port to point to that server.

Isn't that what Jeff Pulver's Free World Dialup is supposed to be?

reply to gatzdon
Actually the router shouldn't be a factor, as long as you have a DMZ function or equivalent. Just DMZ the internal IP of the Cisco, much as I do for the client PC I use for netmeeting when I want someone else to be able to initiate a call to me.

Sparky

Sparky - True.

OLDuck - I believe so. I haven't looked at it recently, but the last time I had, I thought you had to agree to allow people to make free calls from your home line as well! That's not an option for me.

If FWD is the service that we want, then lets lobby for standard configuration of port 2 for FWD. Shouldn't be that hard as Pulver is directly involved with Vonage; director/shareholder or something like that.
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reply to gatzdon
btw, this may be easier to set up with Messenger instead of Netmeeting.

Sparky

reply to AJuan
Based on Cisco's website, you can buy the ATA with a 1-port license or a 2-port license. There are actually two different options when ordering. I am assuming that Vonage cut costs by buying only the 1-port license seeing how there are also disadvantages to using the two ports simultaneously (I think that better codec can only be used on one port at a time??). I don't think Vonage is going to make the 2nd port available anytime soon without charging extra. Plus, I think that the same gateway settings apply to both ports and there is no way to make them separate.

Based on the Netmeeting documentation, you only need the IP address of the recipient to connect. I know the IP address for my ATA (it is always the first device to request an IP on my network, so it always gets the first available IP) and of course I can port forward all relevant ports to the ATA to reach it from the outside. Netmeeting claims to be able to automatically negotiate the connection, provided the recipient can support the ¿H.323? codec.

My question is, if the H.323 codec is enabled, can the ATA support direct incoming IP to IP calls even though it is setup for all outgoing calls to go through a gateway. I would think that if this could be done, Vonage will have opened the door to customers with International contacts without increasing the burden on their network. It would make their service that much more attractive. They wouldn't even have to support the feature, just remove any restrictions to it.
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Gatzdon,

Extra licencing fees: agreed. I would expect that too.

Codec: True. The better codec can only be used on one port at a time.

No way to make them separate: Don't think so. I seem to recall that all the settings on the web management interface are separate and distinct for each port.

Me nitpicking: I believe H.323 is a signalling protocol and not a codec? Someone please jump in and clarify this one?
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reply to gatzdon
I'm assuming here, since at the moment I'm a bit too dense to see exactly what you're aiming for, that you are talking about setting something up where people with Netmeeting in other countries would be able to call your ATA directly. Is this the goal?

Isn't it possible that this would be easier with MSN Messenger? It's already set up to allow subscriptions to SIP gateway services like iconnecthere. Perhaps Vonage can get involved in that with a similar arrangement? Hmm, I'm just thinking out loud here... trying to see a way to make this financially beneficial for Vonage to offer it.

Sparky

I would like to be able to see it possible for someone in another country to call me using Netmeeting (or equivalent) for free using the ATA186 as it is already in my home, capable of receiving such calls, and is always on( that's the biggest for people who don't leave their computer on 24/7).

I'm just thinking out loud, have a small understanding of VoIP, don't know all the terms yet, and am probably misunderstanding what H.323 is, but hey it's been an interesting conversation so far.
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reply to Sparky12

said by Sparky12:

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trying to see a way to make this financially beneficial for Vonage to offer it.

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Selling more boxes and accounts would indeed be beneficial to them. My point is that they can't offer a free gateway to call INTO the accounts of those with the service. It defeats the purpose of them selling accounts. SO, they can either sell a small cheap package hooked into messenger allowing calls to those with Vonage ATAs, or they can offer subscribers some sort of callable (addressable) address which we can give to international callers, perhaps for a small additional fee.

Again, just thinking out loud But if such a feature would attract more business for them, that alone is the benefit of which I spoke.

Sparky

P.S. And no dangling participles!

Participle helped up from its dangling position.

Since the accounts come with generous (or unlimited) minutes, I didn't see how Vonage depends on you using the service to make money? Just that we pay for it every month.
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reply to AJuan
I'm not expert but H.323 is a standard.(think ethernet or token ring)

G.711 would be an example of an audio codec you use with h323.

reply to gatzdon
Tried to call my Vonage ATA186 with netmeeting (on my lan) with all 5 codecs and no luck...

Did anyone manage to call the ATA186 from netmeeting or another software?

I am sure we can figure out the router issue second if we can get the incoming call to work within the LAN first....
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reply to gatzdon
I have ATA186 and my computer on the same home network and I can call netmeeting from ATA186 but unable do the reverse i.e. to call ATA186 from netmeeting. The method i use is to dial the IP directly that is from ATA186 to netmeeting by dialing 192.168.0.5*, which is the ip of the computer with netmeeting running.
When i call ATA186 from netmeeting, netmeeting say "the person you called is not able to accept Microsft netmeeting call and etc"

I try to use SJphone it can work both way with ATA186 within my home network. But i cannot make the call when SJphone is lcated outside of my home network. The protocol i us is SIP and use dirct IP dialing

My ATA186 is attached to my home router and is NOT connected with any gateway, gatekeeper or any kind of VOIP service.

I am trying to do the same thing like gatzdon is trying to do and tyring to have somebody call me from Europe but without any success

I guess we are just plain running out of luck

reply to blohner
With in LAN try use SJphone it should work
but dont think it work if calling from outside your LAN

reply to ags
ags,

Have the person calling you from OUTSIDE your LAN call your WAN address, the address assigned to your router by the ISP, not the internal private 192 address. Before doing this, set your DMZ on your router to the internal (192) address assigned to the ATA.

Anon, I meant that adding this feature could sell more accounts for them, if indeed it doesn't cost Vonage anything - and I don't see why it should at all - then it would attract new customers and provide new revenue.

Sparky

said by Sparky12:

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adding this feature could sell more accounts for them, if indeed it doesn't cost Vonage anything - and I don't see why it should at all - then it would attract new customers and provide new revenue.

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reply to ags
SJphone works like a charm on the LAN. Even caller ID text information comes across to the phone with my name...

I will try some WAN activities on the weekend with a Friend in Europe and report back.
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