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janderso1
Jim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-15
Saint Petersburg, FL
|  Authentication for new mail server?
Does anyone know what kind of authentication smtp.Ameritech.yahoo.com is looking for? I thought I would start using the mail server instead of mailhost.chi.ameritech.net for the smart host when my IIS mail server sends to the Ameritech domain, but the mail doesn’t get queued for delivery. I think it is an authentication problem.
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Jim Anderson | |
mdw
Premium
join:2002-11-10
Houston, TX
| it uses standard basic authentication.
It would be really nice if the servers at least supported ssl connections. My incoming and outgoing mail servers require an ssh tunnel to send my mail  | |
outofhnd
Dsl Has Me Seein Stars..
Premium
join:2002-10-28
Carrollton, TX | reply to janderso1
Make sure the account name is the whole email address. name@ameritech.net
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"Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity" | |
janderso1
Jim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-15
Saint Petersburg, FL
| reply to janderso1
I switched to basic authentication and verified the complete login and password and am now getting a response from the server but the send still fails.
It looks like the problem is on my end, but I don’t know what to change.
-, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:47:46, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 93, 0, 78, 0, 0, -, -, 220+nomail.yahoo.com+ESMTP+server+ready;+Wed,+22+Jan+2003+17:47:34+-0800+(PST),
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionCommand, 1/22/2003, 19:47:46, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 156, 0, 4, 0, 0, EHLO, -, pc3,
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:47:46, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 234, 0, 105, 0, 0, -, -, 250-nomail.yahoo.com+Hello+adsl-66-72-x-x.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net+[66.72.x.x],+pleased+to +meet+you,
-, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:48:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 156, 0, 78, 0, 0, -, -, 220+nomail.yahoo.com+ESMTP+server+ready;+Wed,+22+Jan+2003+17:48:35+-0800+(PST),
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionCommand, 1/22/2003, 19:48:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 156, 0, 4, 0, 0, EHLO, -, pc3,
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:48:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 219, 0, 105, 0, 0, -, -, 250-nomail.yahoo.com+Hello+adsl-66-72-x-x.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net+[66.72.x.x],+pleased+to +meet+you,
-, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:49:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 156, 0, 78, 0, 0, -, -, 220+nomail.yahoo.com+ESMTP+server+ready;+Wed,+22+Jan+2003+17:49:35+-0800+(PST),
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionCommand, 1/22/2003, 19:49:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 156, 0, 4, 0, 0, EHLO, -, pc3,
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:49:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 218, 0, 105, 0, 0, -, -, 250-nomail.yahoo.com+Hello+adsl-66-72-x-x.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net+[66.72.x.x],+pleased+to +meet+you,
-, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:50:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 141, 0, 78, 0, 0, -, -, 220+nomail.yahoo.com+ESMTP+server+ready;+Wed,+22+Jan+2003+17:50:35+-0800+(PST),
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionCommand, 1/22/2003, 19:50:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 141, 0, 4, 0, 0, EHLO, -, pc3,
nomail.yahoo.com, OutboundConnectionResponse, 1/22/2003, 19:50:47, SMTPSVC1, PC3, -, 219, 0, 105, 0, 0, -, -, 250-nomail.yahoo.com+Hello+adsl-66-72-x-x.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net+[66.72.x.x],+pleased+to +meet+you,
127.0.0.1, pc3, 1/22/2003, 19:55:48, SMTPSVC1, PC3, 127.0.0.1, 0, 8, 27, 250, 0, HELO, -, +pc3,
127.0.0.1, pc3, 1/22/2003, 19:55:48, SMTPSVC1, PC3, 127.0.0.1, 15, 35, 47, 250, 0, MAIL, -, +FROM:+,
127.0.0.1, pc3, 1/22/2003, 19:55:48, SMTPSVC1, PC3, 127.0.0.1, 0, 37, 39, 250, 0, RCPT, -, +TO:+,
127.0.0.1, pc3, 1/22/2003, 19:55:48, SMTPSVC1, PC3, 127.0.0.1, 0, 35, 47, 250, 0, MAIL, -, +FROM:+,
127.0.0.1, pc3, 1/22/2003, 19:55:48, SMTPSVC1, PC3, 127.0.0.1, 0, 37, 39, 250, 0, RCPT, -, +TO:+,
127.0.0.1, pc3, 1/22/2003, 19:55:48, SMTPSVC1, PC3, 127.0.0.1, 109, 1293, 120, 250, 0, DATA, -, +,
127.0.0.1, pc3, 1/22/2003, 19:55:48, SMTPSVC1, PC3, 127.0.0.1, 0, 4, 52, 0, 984, QUIT, -, pc3,
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Jim Anderson | |
mibsy
Faster Than A Speeding Locomotive
join:2001-12-28
Olmsted Falls, OH
| reply to janderso1
I seem to be having the same problem. I have a Unix-based mail server at the house, and it would appear I can not relay through the smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com host. The mailhost.cle.ameritech.net works fine. I run postfix and enabled the authentication. I closer look at: »help.yahoo.com/help/us/sbc/dsl/m···-11.html states....
"Please make sure that you have entered your SBC Yahoo! Mail Address as the "From" address in your email client. You will not be able to send mail if you have entered another address. "
Since I have all my email go through userid@mydomain.com, which then forwards to my ameritech.net account, it would appear I'm in big trouble.
This stinks... What's the best mechanism to complain? As if it will help.
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janderso1
Jim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-15
Saint Petersburg, FL
| If you have one of the static IP packages (which I don’t have) you can open your own problem thread and then IM one of official online support people. Otherwise, this is the only place I know to get this type of help.
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Jim Anderson | |
mibsy
Faster Than A Speeding Locomotive
join:2001-12-28
Olmsted Falls, OH
| reply to janderso1
I'm on a dynamic 1.5/256 package. I could mess with the From address being ameritech.net and the Reply to address of userid@mydomain.com. I don't want others to see my ameritech address, but I may not have a choice. This works great through teh old servers.
I did submit an online form at yahoo, but don't expect to get good news in the response. | |
Urnso
join:2001-02-26
Cleveland, OH
| I think ameritech/sbc still offers you the ability to make more usernames. I have a few domain names that forward to my ameritech email. I think you could make a username@sbc.yahoo.com separate from yours and use that as the "from" address. I have my server running php which will email people when they sign up on my phpBB. I just created a mailform@ameritech.net username to keep people from getting my regular email. And because it is a username on the system you should not have any relay problems. | |
chachster
Premium
join:2002-08-07
Westerville, OH
clubs: 
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to mibsy
said by mibsy  :
I'm on a dynamic 1.5/256 package. I could mess with the From address being ameritech.net and the Reply to address of userid@mydomain.com. I don't want others to see my ameritech address, but I may not have a choice. This works great through teh old servers.
I did submit an online form at yahoo, but don't expect to get good news in the response.
Let us know what you hear. I would think that using outbound smtp authentication would be enough so we could have email@domain.com and use the yahoo mail servers to send mail out through. Something tells me this will never change  | |
janderso1
Jim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-15
Saint Petersburg, FL
| reply to janderso1
I thought that maybe I should explain why this is a problem for anyone running a mail server from an IP address within the Ameritech domain.
Ameritech currently has at least three types of mail servers. There are the new “user” servers pop.Ameritech.yahoo.com and smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com, which require authentication for outgoing mail, the old user servers such mailhost.chi.Ameritech.net that do not require authentication on outgoing mail, and the "external" servers that accept mail from outside Ameritech. A mail server outside Ameritech that needs to send mail to an Ameritech.net user makes A DNS request and gets back the list of mail servers (lines with MX on them). The sending mail server selects one of the Ameritech mail server from the list and asks the Ameritech server to accept the mail.
Some time last year these external servers were programmed to reject mail from inside the Ameritech domain. My guess is this was done for load balancing. At that time I had to setup a domain in my IIS mail server for Ameritech.net so that I used mailhost.chi.Ameritech.net as what Microsoft calls a smart host to send mail to Ameritech.net addresses. For addresses outside of the Ameritech domain, my server still requests the server list from the domains DNS server and then sends directly to one of the mail servers from the list returned.
Since the old user mail servers (mailhost.chi.ameritech type) are going away someday, any mail server within the Ameritech domain will eventually have to use the new server to send mail to Ameritech.net addresses. My temporary work around is to continue to use one of the old servers.
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Jim Anderson | |
janderso1
Jim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-15
Saint Petersburg, FL | reply to janderso1
Has anyone figured out how to use the new mail server as a "smart host"? bump
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Jim Anderson | |
efflandt
join:2002-01-25
Elgin, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| said by janderso1 :
Has anyone figured out how to use the new mail server as a "smart host"? bump
I tried using sendmail, switching mailertable (which worked using estmp:mailhost.chi.ameritech.net) to:
.ameritech.net esmtp:smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com
ameritech.net esmtp:smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com
and then (keyword) "attempted" to configure /etc/mail/authinfo for the auth. But I got response (username disguised):
... while talking to nomail.yahoo.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<xxx@ameritech.net>
<<< 550 5.1.2 <xxx@ameritech.net>... Unsupported mail destination
550 5.1.1 <xxx@ameritech.net>... User unknown
I don't know how it got to nomail.yahoo.com since that is NOT even in the same IP range of smtp that mailertable should have directed it to. Maybe it is a host used for filtering.
BTW Netscape6 worked for smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com, but I don't have that on my laptop, kmail does not do auth, and I don't think pine does either. Does anyone know any Unix clients other than Netscape that do auth? | |
mibsy
Faster Than A Speeding Locomotive
join:2001-12-28
Olmsted Falls, OH
| I tried Postfix with authentication - no dice. On the traffic captures, I also got directed to nomail.yahoo.com. I can use netscape with auth and it goes to the proper smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com host. I'm trying different things, but no luck yet.
No response from the yahoo support folks on my question.
As for Linux clients that do smtp-auth, you may want to try Evolution. | |
efflandt
join:2002-01-25
Elgin, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to janderso1
I think they are playing tricks on us (really to fool worms with built-in smtp).
efflandt@realhost:~> host -t mx smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com
smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com. is an alias for smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com.
smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com. mail is handled by 1 nomail.yahoo.com.
This would send e-mail clients to smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com (66.163.171.137), but smtp would go to the MX nomail.yahoo.com (216.145.48.35), which may not accept any mail at all. So all those Klez worms fall in the bit bucket. | |
mibsy
Faster Than A Speeding Locomotive
join:2001-12-28
Olmsted Falls, OH | Well, there are ways around that issue, but thanks for explaining how they pushed us to nomail. I hadn't looked at the MX records - good catch. I'm more concerned about requiring the "From" address to be an ameritech.net address. | |
htmlartist
Premium
join:2002-11-14
Issaquah, WA | reply to janderso1
Also, make sure you have the Outgoing Server Requires Authentication option checked. | |
efflandt
join:2002-01-25
Elgin, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| reply to janderso1
Additional 'sendmail' info, putting hostname in brackets for mailertable (or Smart host) avoids the MX lookup:
.ameritech.net esmtp:[smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com]
ameritech.net esmtp:[smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com]
(frown should be colon, left bracket)
This gets me to proper relay, but AUTH fails, so I have to figure out /etc/mail/authinfo.
SBC/Yahoo website says From address must be your SBC address, or it will fail.. That apparently is NOT true as long as your mailer uses proper SBC address for AUTH.
From kmail in SuSE 8.0 set up to use Yahoo servers (username disguised):
Return-Path: <me@xnet.com>
Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com
[66.163.168.188])
by realhost.no-ip.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with SMTP id
h0QFsA104794
for <me@realhost.no-ip.com>; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:54:12 -0600
Received: from adsl-68-20-32-237.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net (HELO laptop)
(me@ameritech.net@68.20.32.237 with plain)
by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2003 15:54:08
-0000
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
From: David Efflandt <me@xnet.com>
To: me@realhost.no-ip.com | |
janderso1
Jim
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-15
Saint Petersburg, FL | reply to janderso1
Unfortunately, brackets don’t work for smart host. Brackets tell smart host to look for a numeric IP address. Put the IP address of the smtp server in brackets still goes to nomail.
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Jim Anderson | |
mibsy
Faster Than A Speeding Locomotive
join:2001-12-28
Olmsted Falls, OH
| reply to janderso1
I'm using Postfix and have set the relay host in brackets like this:
relayhost = [smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com]
Under Postfix, it does turn of the MX lookup and sends directly to the HOST. Tcpdump captures have verified this.
Now to fix my authentication problem.... I've got the following in Posffix:
smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/usr/local/etc/postfix/saslpasswd
and a saslpasswd file with the appropiate username@ameritech.net password.
I did a postmap on the file. When I send, I get a failed auth error in the postfix logs. Anyhow, getting closer...
Here is a web site with the directions for setting up postfix authentication, although I haven't quite got it working:
»sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/rsimai_i···uth.html
If yahoo doesn't require the From: address to have my Ameritech address, I should be able to get this working soon. | |
mibsy
Faster Than A Speeding Locomotive
join:2001-12-28
Olmsted Falls, OH
| reply to janderso1
Hey - it works. Finally. I had to upgrade postfix, I had a woefully old version that didn't support sasl. I'm using postfix 2.0.2 with the smtp-auth configuration from my previous post. The angle brackets prevent the MX lookup. The sasl/smtp-auth options do the rest.
I've sent mail from an address other than username@ameritech.net and it works fine as long as you authenticate. Apparently yahoo needs to update their documentation.
If anyone else is using postfix and has trouble getting it working, I'll try and help as best I can.
Now I can go back to doing fun stuff... | |
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