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BBC4544
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Saint Peters, MO | Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who do i work for: MO or SBC? sorry that is a loaded question. i work for neither. | |
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BrianDamage
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I seem to remember you pointing yourself out as a Bell employee. So, if not SBC, then another BOC.
Whatever the case, what is "good" for one is "good" for the other.
It's called a "precedent", which are what the high-powered lawyers on the Bell payroll are trying like hell to set.
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BBC4544
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Saint Peters, MO
| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! actually it is CWA doing most of the lobbying in MO for this one. i am sure SBC lawyers have made thier way to Jeff City also. i think this will be good for both MO and SBC. SBC for obvious reasons. For MO in the fact this will open up broadband to more rural areas. | |
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BrianDamage
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For MO in the fact this will open up broadband to more rural areas.
This is a fallacy.
This will not spur broadband deployment to rural areas.
And without competition, the RBOCs don't have any reason to expand or innovate.
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boogie74
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said by BrianDamage  :
For MO in the fact this will open up broadband to more rural areas.
This is a fallacy.
This will not spur broadband deployment to rural areas.
And without competition, the RBOCs don't have any reason to expand or innovate.
Yeah... I forgot that... we'll just take your word for it. Because your "experience" in telecom makes YOU the expert.
Shall we ask Bill Gates why Microsoft keeps innovating and upgrading its products when there is no viable competition forcing them to come out with newer versions of Windows?
Of course, to you that makes no sense- because you've read ALL the laws, regulations and EVERYTHING (memorized it too) in respect to telecom, but not any other field...
I know... you won't answer. You never answered this post. PLEASE QUOTE actual SOURCES of your EXPERT concepts...
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BrianDamage
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always answer. You just posted that yesterday afternoon.
Give me a break. You want me to say something that discredits my own argument. I'll leave all of that toe-chewing up to you.
If you are interested in a relevant argument, then give me time to respond. But then again, yo are not interested in anything relevant. You are interested in propaganda.
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boogie74
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Neenah, WI
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said by BrianDamage :
I always answer. You just posted that yesterday afternoon.
Give me a break. You want me to say something that discredits my own argument. I'll leave all of that toe-chewing up to you.
If you are interested in a relevant argument, then give me time to respond. But then again, yo are not interested in anything relevant. You are interested in propaganda.
But no substantive answer?? Simply responding with insults does not qualify for an answer...
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BrianDamage
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clubs: | Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I put up my answer. Don't go there about insults. You fling them quicker than anyone.
Wise man say:
Make sure brain is in gear before engaging mouth. | |
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ctooley
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| Missouri Rural DSL Actually being originally from a very rural part of Missouri, DSL service was available for us there when I left. It's still not available in all SBC areas here in Austin TX which is supposed to be a Technology city. In fact the DSL service is less than $40 a month at 2Mbit/512Kbit speeds. I challenge any of the major providers to compete with the Co-Op telcos on those price ranges.
I don't think this will have any impact whatsoever on the rural areas. Most of them either don't use SBC (MORENet and things like it) or hate the service they get. | |
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BrianDamage
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| Re: Missouri Rural DSL It's still not available in all SBC areas here in Austin TX which is supposed to be a Technology city.
Well, here's what I can tell you about that.
I was the Senior Field Network Engineer in the Austin/San Antonio, Texas market for Covad from 1998-2000, and ran those deployments for them.
In Austin, we built out just about every CO in the metro area, including Wimberley.
Covad had a large footprint in Austin. San Antonio was a little harder to get started (it's the lion's den, after all), but there, we built out most COs except for the ones in the lowest income areas.
Of course, I haven't been involved with Covad in Austin since the summer of 2000, but I have followed what they have done since and stayed in contact with folks that I still know there.
I know that Covad did pull out of many COs in many cities, as part of their restructuring.
But, for the COs that had 200 customers or so, the concensus would be to stay in them. Those with less than that were not logical to keep.
This is not to say that these COs were in areas that were economically disadvantaged or anything like that, but for whatever reason, were slow to subscribe, and Covad had to focus on areas where the subscription rate was higher.
I have remained in the broadband industry all this time, and I have seen the trickle-down of the effects of the downsizing, bankruptcies, and restructurings that have occurred and have seen how they affect consumer's choices.
The logic is pretty simple. SBC, for example, only started offering DSL in areas where some CLECs were doing so only in an effort to thwart their efforts, not so much that SBC saw any profit potentials there.
With the CLECs gone or otherwise removed from an area, the ILECs see no reason to continue their services there either.
This should be a sign of things to come for people.
I mean, this only demonstrates that if there is no competition in an area from a direct competitor/provider (and not a reseller), that the RBOC/ILECs have no real incentive to offer services either, and they likely won't, despite whatever promises they continue to make.
SBC has gotten the regulatory relief they want in Oklahoma already, but there is no proof yet that they have spent any money on the deployments and RT upgrades and such that they assured the state that they would.
With the environment in place, there is no reason for them to do so, and nothing to say when it is shown that they won't.
The point is, without competition, there is no incentive to innovate. Without regulation at either the federal or state level, there is nothing to do to stop the economic tyranny that will follow. The Bell companies will be entirely free to do whatever they want, how they want, and when they want, and that does not ensure ANY advances in technology or availability to consumers. On the contrary, the only thing that it ensures are less choice, higher prices, and continued monopoly.
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BBC4544
join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO
| can you explain why so many remote terminals are being turned up in OK? can you explain why SBC has pumped 30 million into the pronto project in OK immediately after getting relief? i see what is going on in OK and i assume this will happen in MO. i am not trying to be a smart ass i am trying to understand your point of view. please respond | |
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BrianDamage
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clubs: | Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SBC has not pumped 30mil into RT turnups or into Pronto in OK. I'd like to see proof of that. | |
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BBC4544
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Saint Peters, MO | Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i remember seeing an article on this website about SBC putting 30 million into OK. i do have to earn a living so i may not be able to find and post the info in the next hour. please allow me some time. | |
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BBC4544
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Saint Peters, MO
| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! »SBC Plans DSL Expansion
this was posted by army5 on another thread
Tom, since you live in Kansas you may not be aware of what has happened here in OK. SBC has already deployed DSL to 5 new towns after the legislative decision.
i am trying to confirm this so it may take a little time
thanks for your patience | |
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BrianDamage
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clubs: | Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, tell that to your cohort, Mrs. Boogie. | |
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| said by BrianDamage :
SBC has not pumped 30mil into RT turnups or into Pronto in OK. I'd like to see proof of that.
Let me list the 5 new towns that SBC committed to turn up by EOY 2002 in response to the relief:
Mustang
Henryetta
Sallisaw
Blackwell
Cushing
There is more, would you like for me to go on?
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BrianDamage
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clubs: | Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So are they hot yet? It IS 2003, after all... | |
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boogie74
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said by BrianDamage :
So are they hot yet? It IS 2003, after all...
Ummm... yes. BTW, exactly WHAT are your qualifications that make you such an expert? You're arguing with people that CURRENTLY work in the industry. Having experience from 3 companies that fired you 4 years ago doesn't quite match up.
You really have missed out on a lot since you've been out of the loop.
Boogie | |
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BrianDamage
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Remove foot from mouth, now.
So what makes YOU such an expert? Because you work for Ameritech in the switchroom?
You don't know as much as you think you do, and leave your arrogance at the door.
I haven't been fired from any company. Quit assuming, because you know what they say about assuming, and you have no problem making that saying come true where your own position is concerned.
And, I still work in the Telecom industry, for a company that is involved in many things, not the least of which has been recently working alongside a wireless manufacturer to develop a NLOS fixed wireless product, working in both the ISM and MMDS spectrums, in varying frequencies, that will provide wireless communications past 12 miles.
Secondly, I have worked in the actual development and deployment of hardline DSL, and also in many other areas.
So, you can continue to try to discredit me all you want, but you are spinning your wheels.
I know, it's the old standby....if you can't debate with someone or "win", then to try to discredit them is the next logical step, so that other people may doubt ones' credibility.
Nice try. Stick to trying to debate.
I will tell you that if you continue to resort to such childish shenanigans then I will be done with you altogether. If you want to grow up and debate like an adult, then I will be happy to continue to engage you.
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have changed your story 3 times now- claimed to be a telecom law expert (and proven wrong), claimed that UNE-P loop price average nationwide is $32 per month, and you have proven to EVERYONE that you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
So stop debating. I don't even know why I bother answering you.
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BrianDamage
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clubs: | Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I won't dignify that with a response. | |
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boogie74
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! said by BrianDamage :
I won't dignify that with a response.
Thank GOD you've shut up about this! | |
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BrianDamage
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| Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God has nothing to do with this.
I have made my points, and you resort to childish shenanigans.
It is obvious that you never took a debate class.
You have just shredded the last little bit of worth you had. I won't debate with such childlike types.
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