BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
 ·Comcast
| reply to BBC4544
Re: gov't and competent???
said by BBC4544  :
man are you a jack ass.... you blame cwa, i point out your wrong and you come back with
" Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. "
i am not defending the company for hiring a POS tec,(i would like to point out that most of these POS tecs were inherited due to the pac bell/sbc merger) i am simply pointing out that the CA creates a situation that it is cheaper to keep that tec on the payroll then fire him/her or lay him/her off.
why do you resort to name calling can you not keep anything on track... just stop calling names and be a normal person and discuss the facts. it ain't as hard as it seems. |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to BBC4544
said by BBC4544 :
man are you a jack ass.... you blame cwa, i point out your wrong and you come back with
" Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. "
i am not defending the company for hiring a POS tec,(i would like to point out that most of these POS tecs were inherited due to the pac bell/sbc merger) i am simply pointing out that the CA creates a situation that it is cheaper to keep that tec on the payroll then fire him/her or lay him/her off.
Funny, I don't believe I've ever insulted you, I can if you want me to though. Saying that all the crap techs were from PB is just a lame duck. PB is not alone in the market of having crap techs, SBC is quite capable of staffing the same bad people. As to this labor law, please point to it. I was unable to find anything regarding it using the general info you've posted. And don't insult me again.
[text was edited by author 2003-03-17 00:51:04] |
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BBC4544
join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO
| reply to JakCrow
man are you a jack ass.... you blame cwa, i point out your wrong and you come back with
" Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. "
i am not defending the company for hiring a POS tec,(i would like to point out that most of these POS tecs were inherited due to the pac bell/sbc merger) i am simply pointing out that the CA creates a situation that it is cheaper to keep that tec on the payroll then fire him/her or lay him/her off. |
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VWSpeedRacer
join:2002-10-06
Essex Junction, VT
clubs:
| reply to BBC4544
I have more faith in my elected local government (some of whom I see on the streets now and then) than I do in some 35th floor penthouse livin' CEO that cares more about his golden parachute than he does about keeping his job.
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Daniel Gwozdz (VW Speed Racer)
Water-cooled Volkswagen World - »www.wcvw.org |
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herberthm1
join:2002-04-06
Van Nuys, CA
|  reply to JakCrow
said by JakCrow :
That must be why they gave another 9000 in Cali the boot. And it's not the labor laws, it's the CWA.
You should get your facts together before you talk it was 3000 in California,2100 from management and 900 from craft, most of them took and ERB (early retirement packages) and some others were relocated to different position in the company |
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herberthm1
join:2002-04-06
Van Nuys, CA
| reply to JakCrow
Just for your information, sbc or pacific bell is in the whole state not just sf.
Needless to say, their real vans are pretty much in bad shape, and none of them say SBC. In fact, all the ones I've seen in the SF bay area still say "A Pacific Telesis Company" on them.
Most of the one I seen are kind of new chevy 2000 or 2001 and some of them say SBC |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to BBC4544
Ah, if it were only that easy to explain away, but it isn't. Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. I hope the municipal broadband, cable tv, and phone idea catches on in more states. I'm all for making the telcos and cablecos bleed real money by losing customers than listening to them cry the sky is falling because they only made $2 billion last quarter than $3 billion.
[text was edited by author 2003-03-16 00:42:48] |
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N10Cities
SILENCE I Keel You
Premium
join:2002-05-07
Roland, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
 ·World Lynx
| reply to RandomX22
said by RandomX22:
Tacoma's Click! network seems to be near perfect and at half the damn price that comcash charges. Their local government seems to be working just fine.
It's not to say that other local municipalities will be as efficient, but it's becoming more and more commonplace for the state's local cities to start thinking about city run network broadband.
The great thing about municipal networks is that they are not worried about making a profit, making stockholders happy(which is what most corporations care about above all else), etc. As long as they make enough money to cover the operating expenses, all is hunky-dory. |
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BBC4544
join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO
| reply to JakCrow
no it is the labor laws. they laid off cwa people from CA to MO. due to your states labor laws in order to avoid paying fines the company has to keep a person on the payroll almost a year and a half after the surplus is announced. for example....a group is surplused and the company has to lay some people off. a tec in MO will be off the books in about six months. in CA this process takes 18 months and you have to prove to the state that the job was not moved out of state because if it was the you have to pay fines. i am not going to pull any punches. i really do not like CA. CA is the US test bed for socialism and it is failing beautifully. |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA | reply to BBC4544
That must be why they gave another 9000 in Cali the boot. And it's not the labor laws, it's the CWA. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to BBC4544
BBC454, don't you work for SBC? |
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indy0363
join:2002-01-26
Franklin, IN | reply to cableblows3
our govt indy ? are you kidding good thing i live in franklin |
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BBC4544
join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO
| reply to airhockey
i assume this is a joke
[text was edited by author 2003-03-14 21:19:29] |
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BBC4544
join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO | reply to JakCrow
believe it or not....due to the labor laws in your wonderful state, it is cheaper to keep a POS tec on the payroll then to lay him off or fire him. it sucks |
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cableblows3
join:2001-06-17
Indianapolis, IN
| reply to BigDaddy05
said by BigDaddy05:
The cities will have one item that gives them additional incentive to keep the system working correctly that $BC and Comca$t don’t have. The city agencies will use the system to interconnect with each other. The current providers use fiber runs and copper lines separate from the neighborhood links used for broadband.
While I’m sure that the cities will use a fiber network that is separate from the broadband Internet links, it will most likely be in the same bundles and use co-located equipment. This will give them additional incentive to keep the lines and equipment working properly.
Additional incentive, if they give the users bad service, they may be voted out in the next election. Even if they only do their ‘system upgrades’ on the same schedule as SB$ and Comca$t - just before their agreement is up for renewal - they will be on a four year cycle and not one that is 10 or more years long.
well you beat me to the punch on that one! they run our lights and water here and don't do to bad a job, besides being cut out in a storm or two. i would love to see indianapolis start one up! |
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airhockey
Got Airhockey?
Premium
join:2001-03-01
San Jose, CA | reply to BBC4544
This would still be a level better than SBC and Comcast |
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
Palo Alto, CA
| reply to BBC4544
Sounds like your city workers would be in good company with some of the SBC techs I've encountered lately. You should see the condition of some of their vans too.
For those in the audience that don't know, SBC has been pushing this new PR campaign about "Pacific Bell is now just SBC". The TV spots show some guy coming up to brand new Pac Bell vans, taking the PB logo off and paining the SBC one on them. Needless to say, their real vans are pretty much in bad shape, and none of them say SBC. In fact, all the ones I've seen in the SF bay area still say "A Pacific Telesis Company" on them.
[text was edited by author 2003-03-14 20:15:08] |
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BBC4544
join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO
| reply to BBC4544
this is a copy of a post i did in feb. i am reposting this for my enjoyment. i hope someone else gets a kick out of it
my municipality cannot even pick up my trash on time. with my luck billy joe bob alderman would hire his single tooth cousin to be the engineer, his wife/sister would be customer service manager, their 10 kids would be the "customer service reps", and they call center would be a double wide.
the service tech would show up in a rusted el camino. |
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BigDaddy05
@170.148.x.x
| reply to RandomX22
The cities will have one item that gives them additional incentive to keep the system working correctly that $BC and Comca$t don’t have. The city agencies will use the system to interconnect with each other. The current providers use fiber runs and copper lines separate from the neighborhood links used for broadband.
While I’m sure that the cities will use a fiber network that is separate from the broadband Internet links, it will most likely be in the same bundles and use co-located equipment. This will give them additional incentive to keep the lines and equipment working properly.
Additional incentive, if they give the users bad service, they may be voted out in the next election. Even if they only do their ‘system upgrades’ on the same schedule as SB$ and Comca$t - just before their agreement is up for renewal - they will be on a four year cycle and not one that is 10 or more years long. |
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edhodges
join:2003-02-20
Saint Charles, IL | reply to BBC4544
/ed puts tongue in cheek and says...
I live in one of these cities and I think my local dog catcher could do a better job of managing customer support than the folks I've spoken with at both Comca$t and $BC. |
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