zabes63
join:2003-04-05
Batavia, IL
| reply to Kaltes
Re: Will Comcast and SBC deliver?
Kaltes is dead on in his/her assessment of the following statement:
"SBC can expand its networks anywhere and everywhere if they want to, but they are choosing not to. This is not a business choice in the sense of cost/benefit. This is a choice to leverage politicians in order to achieve their lobbying goals."
If you want proof go to »cityofbatavia.net click on the on going projects link and from there go to the Broadband (Fiber) Project (with Geneva and St. Charles) link. Finally click on the link for SBC "Ameritech on project Pronto"
The synopsis is this: Jim Volk, an alderman for the City of Batavia, and also sits on the Telecommunications committee, attended a conference hosted by, at that time, SBC/Ameritech. The message from SBC was clear, “either side with us and lobby the FCC and the Illinois Commerce Commission or die waiting for DSL deployment in your area.”
SBC all but admitted that the infrastructure was ready and waiting for turn up, but that nothing would be done until they had assurances that they did not have to share access with other providers. The fact that SBC was turning up DSL service within days of the FCC decision last February proves that the network was there and waiting.
This is not an example of a market driven company reacting to its customers needs, it is that of a spoiled brat holding its breath until it gets its way.
[text was edited by author 2003-04-06 04:39:13] |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
Premium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH
| reply to tschmidt
said by tschmidt  :
said by ravital :
In English: Regulation = Halting deployment. The only way this makes sense, is if it's propaganda.
As much as I'm in favor of Municipal Broadband and distrust the Baby Bell I don't see how you can call it propaganda.
I believe the propaganda (here it's really a polite way of saying "the lie") is the contention that poor us SBC are too poor to deploy what we promised if regulation doesn't stop strangling us, but we won't get out of the way and let someone else do it, because we LIKE the regulation when it suits us.
Let's be frank here. The FCC decision of last month or so was EXACTLY what the ILECs wanted 12 months ago before they changed six of their minds again, and now that they got what they wanted, they're going to hold their breath to get more candy. Personally, I hope they choke. Some pestholes in the 3rd world not too far from where U.S. Marines are fighting today get better boradband that most of the U.S. You have no idea how much it pains me to say it, but government regulation, even when ignorant and ineffective, is still a lesser evil, at least some of the time. I love capitalism, and I wish these companies were capitalists, right now they are anything but. |
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AuroraJock
join:2003-04-02
Chicago, IL
| reply to Kaltes
On this point I agree wholeheartedly. Furthermore, you'd think since the feds deregulated fiber, it'd spur on the incumbents to build FTTH, but so far, zippo. Cost/benefit still does play a role, however. Interesting interview with Wayne Masters of SBC last year about Illinois and the deployment cost/benefit. He basicly admits that the ICCs open architecture requirement on the first pronto go-round was not an interesting enough business model for SBC to get involved with.
»www.tr.com/newsletters/lmtr/lmtr021502.pdf |
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Kaltes
Premium
join:2002-12-04
Los Angeles, CA
| reply to AuroraJock
ACTUALLY, it is not like SBC has some finite set amount of infrastructure investment they must dole out sparingly.
SBC can expand its networks anywhere and everywhere if they want to, but they are choosing not to. This is not a business choice in the sense of cost/benefit. This is a choice to leverage politicians in order to achieve their lobbying goals.
SBC is extorting states by saying "if you do not free us from regulatory constraints, we will only service the most profitable areas."
The states should fight fire with fire, and retort to SBC "If you do not meet our deadlines for expansion, we will force you to resell your lines for less than you do now." |
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AuroraJock
join:2003-04-02
Chicago, IL
| reply to ravital
It's not propaganda, SBC just chooses not to deploy services where they deem it not as profitable as other locations. Since Illinois will most likely not deregulate, it's their choice not to deploy (not that it's good for consumers). This is not propaganda, just their business decision. Read about Pronto round 1 for yourself at...
»telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_p···rt_deux/
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that since the FCC left regulatory decisions at the state level to figure this one out. |
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tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH
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| reply to ravital
said by ravital :
In English: Regulation = Halting deployment. The only way this makes sense, is if it's propaganda.
As much as I'm in favor of Municipal Broadband and distrust the Baby Bell I don't see how you can call it propaganda.
The Baby Bells have made it abundantly clear they are not going to deploy broadband unless they regain monopoly control of the First-mile network, even if it results in their demise at the hands of other broadband technologies. That is a simple statement of fact.
This is something regulators will have to factor into whatever decision they make. Do they eliminate UNE requirements and give the Baby Bells back their monopoly forming a duopoly between the Telcos and Cablecos?
Do they require UNE - locking the area into relatively low speed DSL, and preventing more distant residences from being able to obtain service?
That is the Hobson choice facing regulators. |
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ravital
Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter
Premium
join:2001-07-19
Merrimack, NH
| reply to AuroraJock
Alright, I'll name one:
"SBC not building out technology has nothing to do with Tricity fiber, but the Illinois senate vote - which is predicted to keep copper regulated, halting DSL deployment yet again on the statewide level (not just tricity)."
In English: Regulation = Halting deployment. The only way this makes sense, is if it's propaganda.
There. |
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AuroraJock
join:2003-04-02
Chicago, IL | reply to Kaltes
Not trying to insult anyones intelligence. I don't work for Comcast or SBC. And what propaganda do you mean? Name 1 thing I've posted here on this board that is propaganda and not factual. |
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Kaltes
Premium
join:2002-12-04
Los Angeles, CA
| reply to AuroraJock
#1. It was a nationwide price increase. All the other Comcast-served areas were given notice of it some time ago.
#2. Please do not insult our intelligence by claiming the timing was coincidental. Comcast began to hike rates early this year. It is obvious that Comcast delayed their notice of the increase until after the vote, because the truth would have hurt Comcast's position.
#3. Many residents getting $43/month might not see the need for bothering with a utility, but once that rate jumps to $57/month, I guarantee you that a large number of people would have turned out to voice their disapproval with Comcast.
Aurorajock you must work for Comcast/SBC, because you've done nothing but spout their propaganda since you joined. |
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AuroraJock
join:2003-04-02
Chicago, IL
| reply to BK3
Comcast's price increase is just for the Tricity, or nationwide?
SBC not building out technology has nothing to do with Tricity fiber, but the Illinois senate vote - which is predicted to keep copper regulated, halting DSL deployment yet again on the statewide level (not just tricity).
Nothing new on either front, and nothing to do with Tricity - just coincidental timing on both.
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BK3
join:2001-04-10
Geneva, IL
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| reply to tschmidt
Comcast and SBC have already delivered.
On the day after the vote:
Comcast announces a 33% increase in internet-only subscribers - this was reported on DSLR also.
I here from sources that SBC does NOT intend to expand their network here in the tri-cities. They are of the opinion that what's available is good enough.
This is what they have delivered. We will be back ...
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