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Icarus
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Re: update on foldy2

I would go with multiple designations. TH_Foldinator,TH_Foldinator2,etc,etc. Heres why. I monitor 17 boxen and and often check the Stanford stats to make sure all 17 are turning in work regularly on my Stanford stats page. On more than one occasion I have found 16 and a couple of times 15 CPU's turning in work within the last week,which means something aint right. To find the offenders means searching through logs over 17 clients to find the problem which can be anything from bad WU's to bad cores. So,say we have 5 operators with 6 clients each for a total of 30,and Stanford is showing 29 active. That means 5 people each having to search to find the offender,communicating it to the other 4 and fixing it. If each Foldy has its own designation and a CPU goes AWOL,its that much simpler to find and fix.As long as they all fly the TH_Foldinator flag,followed by some seperate identifier,its all the same to me. Just my 2 cents worth....
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said by Icarus:
I would go with multiple designations. TH_Foldinator,TH_Foldinator2,etc,etc. Heres why. I monitor 17 boxen and and often check the Stanford stats to make sure all 17 are turning in work regularly on my Stanford stats page. On more than one occasion I have found 16 and a couple of times 15 CPU's turning in work within the last week,which means something aint right. To find the offenders means searching through logs over 17 clients to find the problem which can be anything from bad WU's to bad cores. So,say we have 5 operators with 6 clients each for a total of 30,and Stanford is showing 29 active. That means 5 people each having to search to find the offender,communicating it to the other 4 and fixing it. If each Foldy has its own designation and a CPU goes AWOL,its that much simpler to find and fix.As long as they all fly the TH_Foldinator flag,followed by some seperate identifier,its all the same to me. Just my 2 cents worth....

I agree.
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reply to Icarus
I hadn't thought of it, but am sure I would rather do it that way if I was running some of those puppies. Imagine even trying to find all the other Ops when you notice a problem, much less all the work every time one CPU disappears.

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MstrBlstr0
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reply to Icarus
Being an operator means being a part of the bigger picture... It means work and each op has to monitor his own stack... Being an op does not mean that you can set them up and just forget about them. AS an Op you are required to monitor and keep you stack running and notify the association if there is one of several going to be down.

Now, as for splitting the usernames I do not think that is necessary... If one comes up missing it is a simple matter to just notify the ops and have them check their stack(which they should be doing in the first place.

This project was started to be a Team effort not to create many mini Foldys that will unfortunately inspire competition and hurt feelings because one operator can host more than another.

Under a combined pool of systems it is a combined TEAM effort to see what the team as a whole is capable of doing... To split things is in essence once again dividing the project and the team... We already have a division of them between GAH and FAH lets not make this a competition of who can host the most... it is not what this was started for. It was meant to be a way to unite the team in at least one way...

As for keeping up with CPU's as the Genome stats do not even list the # of CPU's in a week, I do not see how you think it would be possible to do so anyway... I have 2 running FAH that show (when they are not locking up once a day), and two that are running gah that do not list how many cpus. So I do not know figure that you are going to do any good by splitting the foldys..

I have created an FTP that all the foldy OPs can upload their stats from their monitors monitoring their Foldy stack. I use KDFold as it is Linux but EM would work just as well. With the stats being uploaded per Foldy Stack in one place, it would not be hard to see exactly what blades were not doing their jobs.

»mstrblstr.com/foldinator/stats

As you can see their are detailed pages on foldy1 that are updated every three hours. Anyone can watch the progress and tell if it is not doing its job. Ant there are plenty more spots for Foldy's there are well...

So by splitting the Foldy's by username is senseless and accomplishes nothing but to possibly create more problems down the road and defeats the purpose of why this project was started in the first place.

And as for the other issue... I am sure the members of this team would rather be passed once by an aggregate combined team effort than by many little Foldys one after the other. See what I am saying, you only get passed once and not a dozen times. And all the foldys under one name would be considered and aggregate user as the google and annon. teams are in the overall project.

I mean really, if it was going to be diff usernames, then we should have just let the Ops run them under their own username. I mean that are spending all the time and effort keeping them running and paying for the electric and other stuff that keeps them running. But seriously, this was meant to be a combined team effort and slitting them up by usernames serves no purpose but to a few, and underminds the reason the project was started.
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FKrooG2
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Well MB you bring up some good points but I was under the impression that this was done for team helix and not to run a userID up the stats. Correct me if I am wrong but once a WU is crunched for our team it can never leave, correct? Then what difference does it make one way or the other what name it is crunched under?

But it should crunch under and only under TH_Foldinator or TH_Foldinator2, 3, 4, etc...

My motive is to crunch for TH and TH only... Not for myself or anyone else here. If this was not the case then I would be up the stats quite a bit more than I am now instead of passing the wealth around a bit....

I manage quite a few systems at work and tracking the problem child down is much easier when broken into smaller chunks...
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[text was edited by author 2003-04-30 00:27:28]


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I got 4 of the 6 boards up today and found a problem with the 5th one... It was one of the board that the HSF was knocked off during shipping. One of the power caps has a broken leg. It looks like it happened when the HSF was knocked off but I did not see it until tonight when I put the HSF back on.....

Because I did not catch it before now I will get with uniquecp and order a replacement for it... Until then I will switch my system at home over the what ever account we run this thing under....
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[text was edited by author 2003-04-30 00:36:39]


MstrBlstr0
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reply to FKrooG2
You do not need to tell me about passing the wealth around... I have been passing it around since I started this project to many of the members here. I am not nor have ever been in this for the points...

Let me put it to you this way... Say we have 20 of thirty foldys... OK, look at it like this, that means that the majority of the team members are going to be passes nto once but 30 times by foldy systems that were bought by theam members and not by an individual.

I mean how would this look...

0 0 0 Team Stats 196947.6 42604.1 2129.6 2256.3 2698.8 1835.3 1760260.9 337925.0 100.00
1 2 16 (-16) sortofageek 13513.5 2943 14.0 165.0 150.0 132.0 104526 100K/2500+ 15316 5.94
2 3 18 (-18) icarusflys 10526.8 1957.4 99.0 132.0 106.0 66.0 101143 100K/1000+ 20033 5.75
3 1 25 (-25) parkut 17095.1 2576.3 47.2 127.0 158.6 184.9 82804.8 80K/2500+ 3565 4.70
4 5 38 (-37) wafen 9477.7 1828 99.0 198.0 99.0 0.0 75980.3 70K/5000+ 14757 4.32
5 4 89 (-89) TH-Foldinator 10477.5 2246.5 84.0 99.0 157.5 117.0 52629.6 50K/2500+ 6991 2.99
6 6 90 (-90) TH-Foldinator2 7524.2 1428 87.0 0.0 0.0 66.0 52053.3 50K/1000+ 9188 2.96
7 73 132 (-132) TH-Foldinator3 562.6 143.8 0.0 47.2 0.0 0.0 40886.7 40K/750+ 16369 2.32
8 16 166 (-166) TH-Foldinator4 1837.5 297 0.0 33.0 0.0 33.0 35455.2 30K/5000+ 5678 2.01
9 8 206 (-206) TH-Foldinator5 4681.7 1010 66.0 33.0 0.0 33.0 30113.1 30K/100+ 5333 1.71
10 209 244 (-244) TH-Foldinator6 89.2 23.6 0.0 23.6 0.0 0.0 26573.2 20K/5000+ 5882 1.51
11 11 299 (-299) Axilla 2983 690 0.0 0.0 66.0 0.0 23738.2 20K/2500+ 4916 1.35
12 12 308 (-307) 7 2544.9 313 0.0 0.0 0.0 14.0 23391.8 20K/2500+ 4699 1.33
13 9 337 (-337) Sheesh 3695 654 0.0 33.0 18.0 18.0 21768.1 20K/1000+ 5063 1.24
14 58 401 (-401) TH-Foldinator8 748 215.1 0.0 0.0 23.6 0.0 19687.9 10K/7500+ 6558 1.12
15 25 429 (-429) TJ 1407.4 313.7 33.0 0.0 33.0 0.0 18687.7 10K/7500+ 2714 1.06
16 7 481 (-480) TH-Foldinator9 5229.8 1421.6 193.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 17291.4 10K/5000+ 878 0.98
17 10 557 (-559) TH-Foldinator10 3003.7 488.6 33.0 33.0 0.0 33.0 15293.8 10K/5000+ 1188 0.87
18 48 562 (-561) TH-Foldinator11 946.3 163.5 0.0 23.6 0.0 0.0 15191.9 10K/5000+ 2723 0.86
19 272 581 (-579) TH-Foldinator12 . 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 14789.3 10K/2500+ 2697 0.84
20 47 589 (-588) TH-Foldinator13 962.9 143.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 14685.8 10K/2500+ 3071 0.83
Ranking Team Helix Workunit History Work Status
Team Work Main Member Name 168 hours 24 Hours -9
Hrs -6
Hrs -3
Hrs Last
Update Score Progress Milestone Units Percent
Total
21 273 602 (-600) TH-Foldinator16 . 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 14351.2 10K/2500+ 5411 0.82
22 85 643 (-642) TheWeatherMan 501 87 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 13712.8 10K/2500+ 1223 0.78
23 19 651 (-651) TH-Foldinator15 1648.3 229.3 33.0 0.0 0.0 41.6 13625.4 10K/2500+ 2843 0.77
24 34 656 (-654) TH-Foldinator17 1086.3 418.8 0.0 96.6 0.0 0.0 13566.3 10K/2500+ 3379 0.77
25 22 684 (-679) 19 1503.1 267.7 0.0 73.0 0.0 15.4 13293.2 10K/2500+ 1311 0.76
26 63 699 (-697) 21 662.6 156.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 13138 10K/2500+ 2368 0.75
27 14 707 (-705) Mattmag 1984.3 567 0.0 0.0 219.0 0.0 13019.5 10K/2500+ 1512 0.74
28 43 771 (-776) TH-Foldinator20 999.5 309.5 0.0 92.7 0.0 73.0 12226.2 10K/1000+ 3242 0.69
29 117 814 (-810) Cesatech 350.2 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 11722.6 10K/1000+ 1268 0.67
30(1) 31 854 (-864) TH-Foldinator22 1202.7 309.1 89.2 0.0 0.0 73.0 11288.8 10K/1000+ 2315 0.64
31(1) 13 857 (-855) TH-Foldinator23 2027.8 501.1 0.0 19.7 0.0 0.0 11269.2 10K/1000+ 969 0.64
32 26 877 (-881) johnnow 1381.1 359 0.0 23.6 0.0 52.7 11118.2 10K/1000+ 3760 0.63
33 18 889 (-886) TH-Foldinator24 1723.9 497.9 70.9 73.0 0.0 0.0 11020.5 10K/1000+ 1202 0.63
34 59 910 (-908) TH-Foldinator25 733.7 258.4 0.0 0.0 73.0 0.0 10810.8 10K/750+ 3024 0.61
35(1) 46 986 (-998) Minvaren 963.8 285.9 0.0 0.0 73.0 73.0 10161.3 10K/100+ 2196 0.58
36(1) 54 991 (-990) inept_ 799.4 249.6 73.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 10146.8 10K/100+ 2178 0.58
37 39 999 (-1003) Cal_Paul 1045 249 0.0 0.0 33.0 33.0 10094.8 10K/75+ 2649 0.57
38 30 1060 (-1057) kb6183 1227.9 457.7 0.0 0.0 73.0 0.0 9747.1 7500+ 1378 0.55
39 20 1103 (-1101) Howard7 1590.1 378.1 33.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 9440.57 7500+ 1218 0.54
40 45 1191 (-1188) 2kmaro

OK, so you get my point... I see problems with this people being passed over and over ans pushed doen further in the ranks... And we are talking wanting 100 Foldys in the future? big problems my freand... This was not started to boost one username into the top ranks, but it is the onlt solution that I can see rather than the 100's of TH_Foldinator stacks passing and pushing the average members further and further sown the ranks.

I hope you see that I am getting at here... You are about to make a BIG mistake.
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FKrooG2
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I think you are misunderstanding something but you do make a good point about people being passed. I was taking about running all the systems at my house under one TH-F name. Not each blade having a different name... So if we have 20 or 30 blades broken into blocks of 5 then we are taking 4 to 6 different users names and not 20 to 30...

Now if your talking 20 to 30 groups of 5 for 100 to 150 then maybe I could see people getting upset....

I will think about what you said and ponder it a bit more....
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MstrBlstr0
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said by FKrooG2:


Now if your talking 20 to 30 groups of 5 for 100 to 150 then maybe I could see people getting upset....
That is exacty what I am talking about.. I am looking at the big picture here a yaer or two form now I would hope that we had 20 or thirty Ops... Even if some only ran a couple of blades it would still mean 20 or 30 TH_foldinator names which beside the point of throwing off the actual meber base I think it would cause alot of trouble... And we are hoping for 100's of stacks?
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MstrBlstr0
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reply to FKrooG2
On another note I must tell you in case PinHead didn't... I would not advise you to run the blades using the -advmethods flag as it will cause the blades to lock up once a day.

I have removed the advmethods flag and am running without it and will see if the lockups continue... I had shut the fah blades down and the gah blades didn't lock. Actually the gah blades never did lock, but the server was running fah and was locking causing the gah blades to not be able to access the server.

So, this is still in the testing process or I Foldy1 would have been producing much better. I will let you know if Isee anymore lockup on the fah client without the -advmethods.
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i would too agree a single user name should be used....some people get very picky about stats....like that Pness character who keeps trying to get into the top 20....LOL..... ;O)

seriously i would do a single....

:O)
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reply to MstrBlstr0
After sleeping on it a while I can see more clearly what MB is saying...

Running under one name would cater to those that are more interested in stats as well as those that crunch just to crunch. I will fire the blades off under the TH-F name and will setup kfold to upload the data to the web. This way we all can more easily monitor them.

IM sent to uniquecp about replacing the damaged board...
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sortofageek
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said by FKrooG2:
After sleeping on it a while I can see more clearly what MB is saying...


And I have no emotions about it one way or the other.

Oh, btw, KDFold does warn visually or audibly when a CPU doesn't check in. I just don't always pay attention, when I'm busy with something else. Would that be an operator problem?
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MstrBlstr0
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Well, the problem there is that KDFold's audio warning uses the system speaker and the blades do not have system speakers on them(easy to add one though) and there is no sound or speakers at all on them installed so the EM wav alert would not work either.

The visual warning on KDFold is useless as well as it only pops up for about 10 seconds and then closes, so you never see it unless you are looking at the screen when it pops up. I have ask Robert about this but have not received a response as yet. He seems to be MIA...

@SueN

EM for Linux? YOu missunderstand... What that referres to is setting up Samba on the linux server create windows shares so you can monitor linux clients via a Windows boxen that is running the EM monitor. Could also do the same with a samba share and WinKDFold.

This is currently something that I am trying to get going with PinHead if he gets the time to help me figure it all out.

I currently have LinKDFold on the foldy Server monitoring the clients and uploading their stats. The problem I am having is that I do not have the room here for more that one Monitor and I only have a two port KVM which is used for my main duallie system and the other port is used for the current system that I am working on which I have one being worked on most of the time. So, I have no way to actually monitor the Foldy1 stack at all times other than looking to see that the led's on the lans are still blinking. Thus, the need for me to be able to monitor them from my main Windows system.
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said by MstrBlstr0:

This is currently something that I am trying to get going with PinHead if he gets the time to help me figure it all out.

----------------------------------------
"Hey Samba, Samba Italiano, Hey Samba"
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bash error: "failure to submit query regarding Samba"
[MstrBlstr@foldy]$

hehe...
I woke up with the -smartass switch engaged.

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Samba isn't hard to set up, once you discover that most of the instructions fail to mention that you need to run: smbpasswd -U yourusername ( to set up a new user )

Then it will prompt for a password ( if I remember right ).
It should be the windows machine's user name and password.

That is assuming that you have installed the Samba package and shared the main directory containing all of the individual blades. Which unfortunately needs to be located under /home/something. Then you can share "something".

Sorry if you have been waiting for long, but this is the first I have heard of this!
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sortofageek
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said by MstrBlstr0:
The visual warning on KDFold is useless as well as it only pops up for about 10 seconds and then closes, so you never see it unless you are looking at the screen when it pops up. I have ask Robert about this but have not received a response as yet. He seems to be MIA...

Ah, so I'm only a lazy op when I actually see it and ignore it? Which I must, in all honesty, admit I have done.

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said by Pin:
Sorry if you have been waiting for long, but this is the first I have heard of this!
bash: request does not exist at this location. : Please cd to the correct location for the request.
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