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| Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 3
The other one was getting too long, so here's a new thread.
I've created this thread and made it sticky so it always stays on top.
ALL cap discussions from here on out will be contained in this one thread.
If you want to know why you were capped, here.
If you want to know how to not get capped, here.
If you want to complain about OOL and how horrible they are, here.
If you want to defend the caps, here.
If you want to discuss this new policy, not here. Send me an IM and I'll be happy to discuss it.
I promise you I am not trying to stifle discussion of the subject (I think that's pretty clear from my actions to date). I am just trying to restore sanity to this forum by keeping this all in one place, so it doesn't overtake everything else.
Please post everything related to the new OOL capping procedure in this thread.
Thank you.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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| A re-CAP
I have compiled quotes from the past parts; with alleged comments by OOL employees.
“They told me constant uploading over hours at a time.”
“…calling in doesn't seem to work anymore, i think me and everyone of my friends i know that have OOL and are capped, and when they call in, they get told they're capped permitly…
I seemed to notice after 4 days of solid uploading at almost full speed is what gets u capped, 3 days u seem to be fine tho, this is what i noticed anyway”
“OK, my experience, I was capped. I called got it removed and changed my uploading habits. I up load every day but for no more then about ten hours. Then I shut down for at least an hour. I haven't been capped in months.”
“A new theory: capping is more likely in more densely populated areas.”
“I dont think anyone over at cablevision has a clue about the caps, I was capped like a month ago and I wasnt even abusing my upload at all. I spoke to them and explained to them exactly what I do with my connection and it doesn't include any type of p2p software. They were nice enough to uncap me and I spoke to 2 people there and both told me if i needed to upload anything large to split it up into smaller parts and upload 50-100mb and logoff for 20min, upload 50-100mb and logoff for 20min and so on. For 3 weeks I didnt upload a single thing and a couple days ago I followed exactly what I was told and I just realized I was capped again..”
“Hay I got capped once call and gave them my legit reasons for using my up load; that waz about three months ago. I still up load at full speed and damn the torpedoes. Still have not been capped since. Hmmmmmm.”
“I was told that it caps for a high amount of bytes in a short time. The head of OOL security told me that if i throttle to say 30 KB/s i should be OK.”
“i have had a friend on dial up downloading from me for 2 days straight now. thats a steady 2 to 5 KB/s upstream for the last 48 hours.
and YES they do reduce upload caps in my area. i know this as a fact because a good friend of mine that lives around the corner had his upload cap reduced for a steady 50KB/s stream to a single individual.”
“All i asked for is the limitations they currently have in place and he told me to get a seperate service to upload.”
“hehehehehe i got Capped last night and uncapped today. less than 7 hours of being capped. tech told me. it's because of my connection uploading for 4 hours everyday for the last week or so. I told him i was sending files friends and i throttled the upload speed to them. He tell's me i should let it run flat out so the file would go faster, WTF!? hey won't they the ones saying using your max upload is messing up their system?”
“a few days later it was capped again
i called them, they had a lady call me and tell me they will ban me from OOL if this EVER happens again, so i tunred my servers off lol”
“well.. I asked the "engineer" who called me back when I called about being capped a few times about this. "Is it possible that this has anything to do with the modem I got?" "Maybe this modem was capped before?" he said.. absoultely no way is it possible... it seemed pretty new to me.. I dont know.. just because it isnt -logical- to be capped for sustained 12K/sec uploads doesnt mean they dont do it anyway you know? I think they do...”
“I think they do too, and I agree it is not logical. You are not the only person to post being capped due to sustained low-speed upload.”
“yea i just called and got uncapped
oh well, strike 1.
oh yea: the only uploading i was doing was i left some p2p stuff running for 24hours by mistake (uploading at 12kb/sec solid) woops.”
“Now, when I explained to the guy that I wasn't using any p2p apps, wasn't running any servers, just sending that one file, he said it didn't matter, I was still abusing bandwidth (I won't even debate this in this thread, that's for the other one.) Now, since he can't tell me the limit, he told me to benchmark it myself because he send most likely, I will get capped again.”
“All I know is what a tech told me on the phone "they r capping people for uploading to MORE THEN ONE IP at a time" He must be right, cause I upload like a mad man and I am not capped.” |
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td911
join:2002-12-06
New Rochelle, NY
| reply to Lex Luthor
Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 3
Anybody have any hard numbers?
I need to upload files ~ 400-600 MBs to my friends FTP from time to time(1-2 times a month).
I've been using NetLimiter with good results. However, I would like to be able to use more speed, I currently cap at 16k.
I also break up the file in 30-40 pieces using WinRar.
Any help would be appreciated. |
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Lexion
join:2003-02-03
Yonkers, NY
| Do it over night (less traffic) at full speed.
Make sure You have like a 1-2 day break from any kind of uploading and then send it all.
I sent about 3.7Gig of stuff in 2 days (at night time usually) at speed 60KB/sec (the place I was sending to was limited to that) and I did not get capped.
Just try to think smart and You should be fine.
ALTHOUGH, there is NOTHING save with Cablevision's capping habbits but those hints should decrease the chance of getting capped. |
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Babbat
The Ghost Of Babbat
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join:2001-06-24
Long Island
 ·Optimum Online
| reply to td911
said by td911  :
Anybody have any hard numbers?
Lexion has a pretty good idea that seems to work for him. As for hard numbers, you won't get them. The only people who know the specifications on how you get capped won't be talking anytime soon, as the "limit" would be abused by users w/ the know-how to do it. Also remember that "1st time offenders" are usually notified of their mistake, and get the caps lifted without a hassle. Use your internet connection, just don't send copies of your hard-drive to random people over the internet 
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SliderNC
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Cornelius, NC
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| reply to Lex Luthor
After being capped back in December due to a Trojan and IRCbot operation on my PC, my wife and I have continued our normal usage habits. She'll upload anywhere from 250-650MB/day, mostly in 25-30MB chunks to her work servers and to our hosting servers. I usually run anywhere from 50-100MB/day to hosting servers and VNC'ing to my relative's computers to do remote maintenance on their PC's. I've yet to be capped. Most of the time we do this is anywhere after 10PM (she uploads most of her stuff overnight unless it's urgent so she's not hogging prime time bandwidth).
So far, no cap. I think that if you don't abuse it (P2P to multiple users, IRC to multiple users) they don't really care. What really brings down a node's speed is when you're sending 100KB/s worth of stuff to 3 or 4 different people, because it also has to take the time to route it correctly through the OOL network correctly also. That creates overhead also, which slows down the network.
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unitskater
join:2002-11-16
Massapequa, NY | reply to Lex Luthor
Well, i just got capped about a month ago and started to realize it a week ago. This really sucks, my upload barely makes the minimum required for Xbox Live. Im calling them up tomorrow and asking them to uncap me and if they don't im ditching them. |
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instylz
join:2001-12-29
Woodbridge, NJ
| I was recently capped when my sister left a P2P program on...I was on comcast before so I was used to only getting a 15k u/l speed so I did not bother to call and get it removed. Just today the sb4100 they gave us went out so we went to the office and recieved a new sb4200. Cap was removed so that leads me to believe it is done by mac address and once the modem is swapped they do no bother updating the information. Just something I thought I'd add. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
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| One thousand posts!
said by instylz :
Just something I thought I'd add.
It's all been said before. |
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pkeogh
join:2003-03-25
Richardson, TX
| reply to instylz
Re: Capping Discussion Here Only - Part 3
I just subscribed to Optimum yesterday, and they are coming Friday to hook it up. From time to time I host a multiplayer Quake 3-based game, never for all that long and it never will use more than 30k/s of bandwidth. I don't think this would cap me, unless it is done by uploading to multiple IPs...
BTW, the capping is done in the DOCSIS config file stored in the modem... Unlucky people using ISPs that cap download at 768 or 1.5mbit speeds have hacked the modem to uncap the modem, but Optimum users seem to be happy with 10mbits |
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Babbat
The Ghost Of Babbat
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Long Island
·Optimum Online
| said by pkeogh :
Unlucky people using ISPs that cap download at 768 or 1.5mbit speeds have hacked the modem to uncap the modem, but Optimum users seem to be happy with 10mbits
And they were caught w/ their "uncapped" modems almost immediately.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL
| said by Babbat :
And they were caught w/ their "uncapped" modems almost immediately.
That is fascinating, what cable company "almost immediately" caught these people and what was done to them? |
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ergibbs
To Be Free
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join:2001-03-07
on the ocean | Let's keep this discussion to OOL capping. |
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Babbat
The Ghost Of Babbat
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Long Island
·Optimum Online
| reply to batterup
said by batterup :
said by Babbat :
And they were caught w/ their "uncapped" modems almost immediately.
That is fascinating, what cable company "almost immediately" caught these people and what was done to them?
ergibbs is right, so I'll answer your question real quick and any other questions regarding it, I'll be happy to answer in another thread. One of the old users here lowiq88 was capped for abuse, uncapped his modem himself and had his service terminated. I don't know all the specifics, but he does troll here occasionally, so you can ask him to explain "his side" of the story, or just scan through some of the older capping threads. It's not too difficult to detect an uncapped modem.
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ScottNJ
join:2003-04-13
Hackensack, NJ
| reply to Lex Luthor
Interesting articles on uncapping cable modems.
»www.securityfocus.com/news/353
»Nailed to the Wall
Now for my question. Can or does OOL throttle upload speed? And is it port specific? In the past I've uploaded files to friends,(I rarely upload large files) I would get 100k easy uploading. Now when using AIM I get 35kps and FTP I get 35-45k. Yet I'm not capped(checked docsdiag and the internal tailfin webpage). Speakeasy says 950k upload which is roughly 113kps transfer rate. Now when I ran bandwith monitor during the speakeasy test i see it spike to 110-117k upload speed. Yet consistent 35-45k to T1's, 1.5DSL, and other people with cable(non-OOL) people. Anyone have answers or have noticed this? |
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MoPMatrix
join:2002-02-22
Jackson, NJ
| reply to Lex Luthor
I've noticed that u usaly get capped after about 3+ days and nights of uploading at full speed
But i wouldn't leave any uploads going in excess of 24hours just to be safe
When i called tech support the lady said that it happens after like 4 or 5 hours with speed not mattering, and i know thats bs cuz i would get capped after ever transfer i make :P
[text was edited by author 2003-05-21 17:17:19] |
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Morbid Angel
Bitten By The Wolf
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join:2002-12-12
Bethpage, NY
| said by MoPMatrix :
I've noticed that u usaly get capped after about 3+ days and nights of uploading at full speed
But i wouldn't leave any uploads going in excess of 24hours just to be safe
When i called tech support the lady said that it happens after like 4 or 5 hours with speed not mattering, and i know thats bs cuz i would get capped after ever transfer i make :P
[text was edited by author 2003-05-21 17:17:19]
See, I upload large files frequently for like 5 or 6 hours at a time. once or twice a day, which leaves me to believe that the people who got capped were uploading non stop for like days at a time. I think u r right when u say 3 or 4 days of uploading will get u capped. I also believe that only p2p users got and r still getting capped. Just my opinion and observations on this.
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xistence
join:2002-11-13
Laveen, AZ
| reply to Lex Luthor
I have yet to get capped, and i upload big files at full speed for hours at a time, since 1 GB of data doesnt fly out as fast as i would want it to, but its fast allright. But have yet to get capped. One thing i did do was tell OOL that it was for work. I got my OOL around the time of the capping starting. So i made sure i just let them know.
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Jafo232
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join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY | reply to Lex Luthor
I don't believe in caps, and I have stated so for a while, but aside from P2P, what the heck requires days of constant upload? Just curious.
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tempman
join:2003-04-30
Tarrytown, NY | reply to Lex Luthor
I uploaded quite a bit, 150-200MB every day and usually between 7 and 11pm. No cap yet. No sure what it takes to get capped, but it must be a lot alot. |
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