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gr33dy
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Tempe, AZ | Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! Geez, 3Mbps would be great... | |
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Nerdtalker
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! I think the max with the 5100 is 30mbits down, 10up. It'd be great if we could see 3 megabits down! Perhaps he will double it to 6 if we complain more! The thing is, I rarely see 1.5 as it is because many of these servers don't seem to be able to send the file fast enough. I think the increase could only be seen in multiple downloads and such. Brian Roberts should compete against Optimum Online instead of the DSL companies. | |
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imrf
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! why would he compete against someone who is not a competitor.if you have Comcast there usually is a godd chance you can call and cancel and get DSL.you cant call and drop Comcast and get OOL.thats why he is going to compete with DSL and all the overbuilding cable companies like RCN and WOW. | |
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Nerdtalker
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clubs: | Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! That's a very good point, but if we had the option, how many of us would immediateley dump comcast and jump onboard ool? | |
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dvd536
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! said by Nerdtalker  :
That's a very good point, but if we had the option, how many of us would immediateley dump comcast and jump onboard ool?
I'd be keeping comcast. i dont like the way that ool has handled the whole capping issue and their definition of an 'abuser'. 384 or 512kbps upload with no BS is worth more to me than 1000kbps upload and always wondering "am i going to get capped for this?"
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oliphant5
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! said by imrf :
and you dont think that if Comcast raised their upstream that they wont monitor the bandwidth more think again.they will be capping people just as fast.
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imrf
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! it has nothing to do with history.upstream is a precious commodity in a cable plant,*IF* they add more to it they will start monitoring it even more than they do now.which ,whether you believe it or not, they pay very close attention to.just because you havent received a notice from them does not mean they dont monitor,i know for a fact they do and have sent out a lot of letters and shut down quit a few people who monopolize the upstream. | |
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draven
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| - watches about 820+ people on this forum sign up on eTrade and look up Comcast..... 
I have to say, the things that Brian Roberts has been saying as of late are music to our ears, but you have to wonder if he's being realistic....
.... or if he's bluffing in an attempt to cause competitors to self-destruct trying to rush unprepared services to the table in an effort to undercut Comcast.
We have to remember, Comcast is the leader and all others are currently the underdog. Roberts can afford to talk smack.
That being said, I fully believe Comcast is poising themselves to revolutionize broadband as we know it, whether it be soon, as Roberts seems to imply, or years down the road.
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newview
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Parsonsburg, MD | OK Brian, you're the boss . . . make it happen. | |
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mig288
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Merchantville, NJ | take the upstream level higher also ! And impose those same caps on users like OOL does! That way P2P does't win the upgrading issues | |
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J D McDorce
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| Considering other quotes lately, I would recommend a grain of salt on the side  said by »biz.yahoo.com/djus/030507/1137001146_1.html:
"We're not too sure what it means at this point," Roberts said of reports that Verizon is lowering prices on its digital subscriber line service. "We don't think that cable modems and DSL are necessarily comparable."
Roberts said it is unclear exactly what steps Verizon will take in its various markets.
"For $42.95 we've sold a tremendous millions" of high-speed cable modems, Roberts said. He said many people think cable modems are superior to DSL, and suggested that Verizon may be discounting "a less robust product."
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| Kommie
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East Haven, CT | Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! I think it will go like this:
Pro: 3.5/384 $57-45(Current basic price)
OOL Speeds(Uncapped): $95
P2P should not be banned. You gaming folks take just us much bandwidth as we P2P folks do. | |
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dvd536
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| said by jasqid :
Why make em go that fast if it cant be used.....????
Because other countries that arent as greed oriented can use it to offer better service levels. cablemodems arent only a USA item.
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jasqid
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East Palestine, OH | Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! good point | |
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| said by Kommie :
P2P should not be banned. You gaming folks take just us much bandwidth as we P2P folks do.
BZZZZZZZZZZZZT! I'm neither a P2P guy or a hardcore gamer, but where did you come up with the reasoning behind that statement? Most games require a variable 5-10KB max upstream, whereas P2P will theoretically consume the most upstream it can unless you throttle it.
However, that being said, I still feel allotted bandwidth is just that and you should be allowed to do with it as you please. My 256k upstream is the same as yours!
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racer9876
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| It would be nice to see those caps increased to 3Mbps but it will be awhile before we see anything like that. Even if they said they would implement it right now. It would take months to for them to the roll out because some areas are almost to the breaking point and the nodes would need to be split or the QAM setting raised which then raises the standards for the signal to reach the modem which in turns means they will have to do a lot of line work to make the SNR high enough to work with the raised QAM setting.
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TechnoScott
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| WOW!! Nice to see they are thinking about giving us the speeds I USED TO GET ON THE @HOME NETWORK. Wow, what an innovation. I could care less about 3 mbit downstream. GIMME THE DA#N UPLOAD!! All I want to do is host a 20 person game server. Is that so much to ask??? | |
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! said by TechnoScott :
All I want to do is host a 20 person game server. Is that so much to ask???
Yes that is asking a lot because that requires upstream which the CMTS usually doesn't have. Read my post above for further explanation.
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| said by TechnoScott :
WOW!! Nice to see they are thinking about giving us the speeds I USED TO GET ON THE @HOME NETWORK. Wow, what an innovation. I could care less about 3 mbit downstream. GIMME THE DA#N UPLOAD!! All I want to do is host a 20 person game server. Is that so much to ask???
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J D McDorce
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! In addition, DOCSIS 2.0 CMTS units are also compatible with DOCSIS 1.0 cable modems.
said by mikedz4 :
from what i heard comcast wants to upgrade to docsis 1.1 by the end of the year,hopefully by the end of the summer. That means faster download speeds.
While the evolution of DOCSIS increases the bandwidth capacity between the CMTS and the customers, the limiting factor for most users is the cap assigned to the cable modem. An update to DOCSIS 1.1 or 2.0 will not automatically result in higher user speeds. | |
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TechnoScott
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| I am fully aware of the current limitations of the CISCO CMTS and the QPSK encoding method in use. I am wondering why engineers refuse to implement 16 QAM when the throughput look so attractive in the upstream. I am fully aware of the amount of bandwidth available in the upstream when using QPSK with 3.2 MHz channel width and, its NOT MUCH to write home to mom about. I wonder if it is coincidental that for every downstream spigot on a blade, there are 6 upstream spigots. That seems the be the ratio from downstream to upstream bandwidth on a card. 1 64 QAM downstream is about equal to 6 QPSK upstreams. The only way my dream will come true is if we get MASSIVE network segmentation. If we did that, the FCC would rule us a monopoly since the service would stomp everyone elses service and then I'd be out of a job.  | |
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Qumahlin
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! said by TechnoScott :
I am fully aware of the current limitations of the CISCO CMTS and the QPSK encoding method in use. I am wondering why engineers refuse to implement 16 QAM when the throughput look so attractive in the upstream. I am fully aware of the amount of bandwidth available in the upstream when using QPSK with 3.2 MHz channel width and, its NOT MUCH to write home to mom about. I wonder if it is coincidental that for every downstream spigot on a blade, there are 6 upstream spigots. That seems the be the ratio from downstream to upstream bandwidth on a card. 1 64 QAM downstream is about equal to 6 QPSK upstreams. The only way my dream will come true is if we get MASSIVE network segmentation. If we did that, the FCC would rule us a monopoly since the service would stomp everyone elses service and then I'd be out of a job.
QAM upstream is not used because there are far too many problems with maintaining the quality of the signal needed for it to work efficiently. It's just like saying all providers should switch to GI's 256 QAM system just because the benefits are attractive
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| "The only way my dream will come true is if we get MASSIVE network segmentation."
What's needed, IMHO, is a much more advanced cable modem standard. DOCSIS 2.0 does not approach the theoretical limit of an upstream channel. And the downstream channel could be made *really* wide - even 1000mb/s is not unthinkable. | |
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TechnoScott
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| Us gaming folks do NOT USE as much bandwidth as you P2P users. I run a 10 person game server. It is not a full server all the time. KaZaa users typically have uploads enabled and supernode on and are sharing something 24/7. I know this because I see it every day on the job. As for the 16 QAM and plant quality issue. They should do it so the flaky maintenance people who don't know crap will either jump in the fire and be heroes or they will crash and burn. Either way, IMO, the cable industry needs to be turned upside down. Give the young guys the chance to run a 16 QAM upstream system instead of letting the old cable farts run around not knowing what the hell is happening in the system. It is pretty sad when an HSI technician has to diagnose a plant problem for a maintenance person just to get things fixed. However, I happen to work in a system where MOST of the maintenance people are very qualified to manage the return path. But, there are too many idiots still in the maintanence departments nationwide that need to either learn their poop or get the hell out. I know of so many smart and talented people that are just waiting to get a chance to maintain plant 10X better than the folks that are doing it now. I have heard the arguement about maintenance people and 16 QAM before and think its bogus. Force it on them and they will either crash and burn or be heroes. How is that any different than any other product roll-out that we do in cable. Fly or die I say and let the technology weed out the idiots. I get riled up because I see ENDLESS potential in cable broadband that is going UNTOUCHED by and large. VOD and HDTV?? Who cares??? Enhance the data services and optimize them and Comcast owns the nation. From where I sit the whole issue is a matter of money.... Everyone is too afraid to spend some capital to make money in the long run. | |
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Qumahlin
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! said by TechnoScott :
Us gaming folks do NOT USE as much bandwidth as you P2P users. I run a 10 person game server. It is not a full server all the time. KaZaa users typically have uploads enabled and supernode on and are sharing something 24/7. I know this because I see it every day on the job. As for the 16 QAM and plant quality issue. They should do it so the flaky maintenance people who don't know crap will either jump in the fire and be heroes or they will crash and burn. Either way, IMO, the cable industry needs to be turned upside down. Give the young guys the chance to run a 16 QAM upstream system instead of letting the old cable farts run around not knowing what the hell is happening in the system. It is pretty sad when an HSI technician has to diagnose a plant problem for a maintenance person just to get things fixed. However, I happen to work in a system where MOST of the maintenance people are very qualified to manage the return path. But, there are too many idiots still in the maintanence departments nationwide that need to either learn their poop or get the hell out. I know of so many smart and talented people that are just waiting to get a chance to maintain plant 10X better than the folks that are doing it now. I have heard the arguement about maintenance people and 16 QAM before and think its bogus. Force it on them and they will either crash and burn or be heroes. How is that any different than any other product roll-out that we do in cable. Fly or die I say and let the technology weed out the idiots. I get riled up because I see ENDLESS potential in cable broadband that is going UNTOUCHED by and large. VOD and HDTV?? Who cares??? Enhance the data services and optimize them and Comcast owns the nation. From where I sit the whole issue is a matter of money.... Everyone is too afraid to spend some capital to make money in the long run.
Comcast already has Docsis 2.0 systems in testing. There is no reason for them to set up ANOTHER test to test 16 QAM upstream. OR are you proposing your willing to piss off alot of customers bu just switching thier area to 16 QAM up and hoping it works. Have you ever stopped to think why NO cable isp currently (except for a small one I know of in brazil who just opened plant and all and only has a cpl hundred customers) uses QAM upstream?
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! said by degauss1 :
said by TechnoScott :
...From where I sit the whole issue is a matter of money.... Everyone is too afraid to spend some capital to make money in the long run.
Ain't that the truth. That goes for the telco's too. IF Comcast has the foresight to spend, take the risk and fly with new technology and FINALY provide real broadband data services then they deserve to be the king of the heap. It could be quite a different story if the telco's beat them to the punch and spent some cash on more infrastructure (personally dreaming of fiber to the house) and offered better reach for high-speed connectivity.
*everything* is just a matter of money at the end of the day, just that it isnt' always available to spend where you might like.
Comcasts debt load is somewhere north of 20 billion dollars, until they do something about this they aren't in a position to spend willy nilly to upgrade their plant
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Qumahlin
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| You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.
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Thrawn2
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| as for people who game using close to the same as P2P. Thats so false. When you game you are usally get less then 2k each way. But when we p2p im getting 200k down and 30k up. So even if i p2p for a short while. IT still over shoots my gaming if i played all week.
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TechnoScott
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| Have you ever stopped to think why NO cable isp currently (except for a small one I know of in brazil who just opened plant and all and only has a cpl hundred customers) uses QAM upstream?
I have thought of this.... the reason is this: Nationwide, maybe 200-300 maintenance people in ALL cable companies actually have the training, skills, and abilities to pull it off. That was the point I was trying to make. The cable providers need more than just training... they need knowledge and innovative techs who can get the job done. | |
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! "Have you ever stopped to think why NO cable isp currently (except for a small one I know of in brazil who just opened plant and all and only has a cpl hundred customers) uses QAM upstream?"
They'd probably all be using BPSK (1-bit/symbol) if that were in the spec. They're more interested in stability and ease of operation than in pushing the limits. | |
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Kommie
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East Haven, CT | Some Comcast nodes are already 1.1. Philadelphia is and some ATT Areas where digital phone is offered. | |
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pcg33k
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Everett, WA | I am happy that comcast is going to go faster ,i don't care what it cost $99.99 a month lets do it .
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Corona, CA | Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! quote:
i don't care what it cost $99.99 a month lets do it
Uuuuuuhhhhhhhh...No!!!
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| Kommie
join:2003-05-13
East Haven, CT
| said by pcg33k :
i don't care what it cost $99.99 a month lets
Someone has money to burn I see | |
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VTboy
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J D McDorce
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| Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?! They use QAM on the download side for internet, also. The question is whether anyone in the US is using QAM on the upload side for internet (versus QPSK).
While I am no expert, I can't see a reason for a QAM return path for HDTV.
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