Qumahlin
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Re: 9 mbit might be in out future?!
You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.
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| said by Qumahlin  :
You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.
I have an SB4200 modem, is that going to be replaced by the cable company with a "complimentary" modem or am I going to be forced to purchase another $100 dollar modem so I can continue getting access? |
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ihaddsl
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| said by Nerdtalker :
said by Qumahlin :
You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.
I have an SB4200 modem, is that going to be replaced by the cable company with a "complimentary" modem or am I going to be forced to purchase another $100 dollar modem so I can continue getting access?
If you own your modem, it would likely be up to you to get a new compliant one if this becomes a requirement. If you lease, comcast will supply you with a new one
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| said by ihaddsl :
said by Nerdtalker :
said by Qumahlin :
You won't see a 1.1 conversion, and if you did it wouldn't matter as 1.0 modems are backwards compatible. plans as of now are to jump to 2.0 and slowly replace those users who have 1.0 and 1.1 modems.
I have an SB4200 modem, is that going to be replaced by the cable company with a "complimentary" modem or am I going to be forced to purchase another $100 dollar modem so I can continue getting access?
If you own your modem, it would likely be up to you to get a new compliant one if this becomes a requirement. If you lease, comcast will supply you with a new one
What are they going to do if I don't get a new one? |
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mikedz4
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you're wrong. 2.0 conversion won't come until next year. 1.1 is coming this year. Which means they will have to replace my 1.0 modem.
from multichannel.com
"In fact Comcast has encountered some "good" surprises, according to Fellows — such as the old Tele-Communications Inc. plant that actually had been rebuilt to 750 Megahertz, but had been mislabeled as less than that.
The typical Comcast plant is rebuilt for 860 MHz with 860-home nodes, he said.
Even a 750-MHz plant can offer 84 analog channels, 216 digital channels and eight channels for HDTV, Fellows said.
Across a 1,000 home neighborhood, that 750-MHz plant could handle VOD for 400 digital subscribers, 400 high-speed-data homes and 300 telephone subscribers, with three 6-MHz slots still left over.
"If we need more capacity, we can split up nodes four ways" and provision the forward and reverse path separately, depending on the capacity required, said Fellows.
Comcast is upgrading all of its DOCSIS 1.0 plant to DOCSIS 1.1 this year, he said. "We have DOCSIS 2.0 in our back pocket, which would give us five times the speed upstream."
Voice-compression advancements are also on tap in the circuit-switch telephony operations Comcast inherited from AT&T. Technology exists to take the voice compression from 64 kilobits to 16 kilobits, allowing Comcast to carry four times as many phone calls on a single line.
Fellows also talked about Comcast's digital transition plans. Comcast could go to 100% digital for its cable network carriage and keep must-carry and retransmission-consent channels in the analog domain, he said.
Such a transition would give Fellows 60 to 80 6 MHz slots to use for other services.
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»www.multichannel.com/index.asp?l···hResults |
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LiamJunket
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said by Nerdtalker :
What are they going to do if I don't get a new one?
Your old modem would continue to work as the newer CMTS would work with all older cable modems, even if they are using docsis 1.0 or 1.1. But if you wanted to take advantage of the new capabilities, you would have to buy a new docsis 2.0 modem. That is part of the tradeoff you must consider when making the rent/buy evaluation on a cable modem. BTW, the SB4200 is downloadable microcode upgradeable to docsis 1.1, but not 2.0.
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J D McDorce
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Westland, MI | Could you give a description of what capabilities that a user would see by using a DOCSIS 2.0 modem on a DOCSIS 2.0 system versus using a DOCSIS 1.0 modem on a DOCSIS 2.0 system? |
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| From - »www.cedmagazine.com/ced/2002/0202/02e.htm
DOCSIS 2.0 systems will allow a larger RF channel size (6.4 MHz). This will lead to better statistical multiplexing and optimal use of bandwidth. Ultimately, this translates to a higher symbol rate (up to 5.12 Msymbols/s) and three times the throughput achieved by 1.1 systems (up to 30.56 Mbps). Additionally, the physical layer technology makes the DOCSIS 2.0 system more resilient to noise. In addition to bandwidth, this is a key characteristic for high-quality videoconferencing.
The greater noise resilience of DOCSIS 2.0 systems better ensures reliable service delivery, a major consideration for videoconferencing, telephony and other services being marketed to SOHO and small business users, who demand reliability. The new modulation schemes in DOCSIS 2.0 allow MSOs to compete effectively with alternate service providers. For instance, DOCSIS 2.0 calls for channel equalization, which will protect against channel non-linearities. DOCSIS 2.0 also adds improved forward error correction (FEC) in S-CDMA and A-TDMA, as well as Trellis-Coded Modulation (TCM) in S-CDMA, which provides additional error correction capabilities. Additionally, the spread-spectrum nature of S-CDMA provides enhanced resistance to impulse noise, a common cause of performance degradation.
A little more then we need to know 
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LiamJunket
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said by J D McDorce :
Could you give a description of what capabilities that a user would see by using a DOCSIS 2.0 modem on a DOCSIS 2.0 system versus using a DOCSIS 1.0 modem on a DOCSIS 2.0 system?
Docsis 1.1 chgs from docsis 1.0
»www.cablemodem.com/faq/#FAQ17
Docsis 2.0 chgs from docsis 1.1
»www.cablemodem.com/faq/#FAQ19
DOCSIS 2.0 is backward compatible with earlier versions of DOCSIS products, fully supporting advanced Internet Protocol (IP)-based cable services. It adds advanced digital modulation capabilities to cable modems and headend equipment enabling cable companies to increase by a factor of three the speed of the return (or upstream) path of their networks as compared to DOCSIS 1.1, or a factor of six as compared to DOCSIS 1.0.
Here ia a great article explaining all the docsis standards, speeds, and implementation challenges:
»www.commsdesign.com/design_corne···116S0006
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said by LiamJunket :
said by Nerdtalker :
What are they going to do if I don't get a new one?
Your old modem would continue to work as the newer CMTS would work with all older cable modems, even if they are using docsis 1.0 or 1.1. But if you wanted to take advantage of the new capabilities, you would have to buy a new docsis 2.0 modem. That is part of the tradeoff you must consider when making the rent/buy evaluation on a cable modem. BTW, the SB4200 is downloadable microcode upgradeable to docsis 1.1, but not 2.0.
Does that mean I'll only see speeds like the ones I have if I stay with the 4200 and will only be able to get the higher speeds if I buy a 5100? That really stinks. |
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mikedz4
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| well look at this it's a typo on a comcast website.
»ads.pittsburghlive.com/richads/c···dex.html
"**Speed comparisons are for downloads only and are compared to 56Kmodems and 640K. Upstream 356kbps. Actual speeds may vary. Many factors affect download speed. Ask about speed when you call or visit www.comcast.com Installation fees apply. "
notice the big typon that says "upstream 356kbps."
I wonder how many people actually caught this typo and called comcast on it and would they have a case for a false advertising suit? |
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mbernste
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said by LiamJunket :
BTW, the SB4200 is downloadable microcode upgradeable to docsis 1.1, but not 2.0.
Just one of the nice advantages of having a TJ615. It is 1.1 compliant and flash upgradeable to 2.0 (has all the necessary hardware components). I suspect that was one of the reasons why Comcast decided to go with Terayon when they did their modem upgrade program last August.
On a side note, when Comcast did the modem upgrade, anyone who bought their cable modem, got a new one from Comcast for free. Additionally, the replacement modem (according to the letter) was considered owned my the subscriber. Those who rent, continued to rent.
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LiamJunket
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said by Nerdtalker :
Does that mean I'll only see speeds like the ones I have if I stay with the 4200 and will only be able to get the higher speeds if I buy a 5100? That really stinks.
Don't worry about that too much. The SB4200 can be upgraded to docsis 1.1 and that will be capable of plenty of extra speed for the next 2 years. Regardless of what you have read earlier in this forum, the upgrade to docsis 2.0 and the higher upload rates is very difficult and time consuming to do. Upgrading the CMTS is the easy part. Changing to higher upload rates will be very difficult. Because of the amount of hardware upgrades to the infrastructure to limit RF noise problems on uploads to get the higher speeds, even when docsis 2.0 is implemented, the very high upload rates that are theoretically possible won't be implemented. You will get your money's worth out of your current modem.
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|  said by LiamJunket :
said by Nerdtalker :
Does that mean I'll only see speeds like the ones I have if I stay with the 4200 and will only be able to get the higher speeds if I buy a 5100? That really stinks.
Don't worry about that too much. The SB4200 can be upgraded to docsis 1.1 and that will be capable of plenty of extra speed for the next 2 years. Regardless of what you have read earlier in this forum, the upgrade to docsis 2.0 and the higher upload rates is very difficult and time consuming to do. Upgrading the CMTS is the easy part. Changing to higher upload rates will be very difficult. Because of the amount of hardware upgrades to the infrastructure to limit RF noise problems on uploads to get the higher speeds, even when docsis 2.0 is implemented, the very high upload rates that are theoretically possible won't be implemented. You will get your money's worth out of your current modem.
Phew, I was already getting my money out and counting pennies to pay for the 5100. |
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mbernste
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| said by Nerdtalker :
Phew, I was already getting my money out and counting pennies to pay for the 5100.
Actually, the 5100's are pretty cheap. In Best Buy they're selling them for $50 after rebate. I'm 99.9% positive that they will work on our system since they were mixed on the same shelf as the Comcast self-install kits.
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clubs: | If I were to go purchase a 5100, what would I have to do to get them to remove my old one and provision the new one? I thought they didn't like to do that. |
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Qumahlin
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| said by Nerdtalker :
If I were to go purchase a 5100, what would I have to do to get them to remove my old one and provision the new one? I thought they didn't like to do that.
You just call them and say I bought a new modem and need it provisioned
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mbernste
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said by Nerdtalker :
If I were to go purchase a 5100, what would I have to do to get them to remove my old one and provision the new one? I thought they didn't like to do that.
Comcast wouldn't have any problem with you getting a new modem. Make sure your new modem is plugged in and has a solid connection. Then call Comcast and give them the MAC of your new modem. They'll (or at least they should) remove the MAC of your old modem and add/provision the new one. Just keep in mind that if you have a router and you cloned the MAC of your old modem, you will have to change those settings. At the very least a release/renew or reboot of your computer (if not going through a router) would be necessary.
In my case, when Comcast mailed me a new modem to replace my CyberSURFR, they forgot to remove the MAC of the old modem. Neither I or they realized that I had 2 modems on the account (only being charged for 1) until I switched to Pro and they had to re-build my account and reprovision my new modem (Terayon TJ 615).
If we ever do get multiple 5mbit connections to our house, it would be kind of cool to get close to maxing out the cable modem, wouldn't it?
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Finalnight
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I noticed D-Link has a new modem, successor to the DCM-200
»www.dlink.com/products/modems/dcm201/ |
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