boogie74
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Re: untrue
said by JakCrow  :
Huh. Last time I checked, the only lower prices are for the first year, then prices go back up to "normal". Funny that most people can't see past 12 months.
Actually, after the 12 months, you are welcome to re-sign your contract to get the discount for another 12 months- ad infinitum.
Seeing that the latest prices haven't yet been in force for a full 12 months to begin with, it is not unreasonable to expect that the "discounted temporary price" will wind up becoming "permanent" within the next year or so. Marketing trends have ALWAYS been that way- you see it EVERYWHERE, in EVERY industry... (ie: "It's a discount to 'special' customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to most customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to ALL customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to ALL customers- but if you are 'special' then it's permanent...;" then "It's a permanent price.")
Both SBC and Verizon are on that path already... there is no reason to expect that the prices won't become permanent for everyone within the next year or two.
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oliphant5
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| Maybe yeah, maybe no. You can't predict how long Verizon or SBC will honor this special pricing program. And given their history of never ending price increases in every other sector of their business, the opposite is more likely. They're trying this out to see how many cable HSI customers they can get if any.
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BBC4544
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prove that they are not!!!! |
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oliphant5
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| said by BBC4544 :
prove that they are not!!!!
SBC's fine print. »www02.sbc.com/DSL_new/content/0,···&RI=&RD=
*Offer requires a one-year term agreement. After the expiration of this term agreement, the then-current month-to-month or applicable term price will apply. The regular monthly price for the service, modem charge and activation fee of $50.00 will appear on the first bill along with any corresponding and offsetting credits. Offer is available for a limited period of time and is subject to change without notice. Early termination fee of $200 applies if service is cancelled before expiration of term.
You should probably bother looking up the answer before you ask the question. You'll save yourself these types of embarrassment.
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ravital
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said by BBC4544 :
This cannot be happening because all the chicken littles (krk, briandamage, tofarfromco(otherwise known at 2dumb4dsl))
Does that make you Big Turkey? Otherwise know as 2smart4hisowngood?
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blackjeep
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Hehe....How true! Want DSL? Move to an area that has it or wait til it's serviced in your area. DSL providers have only had the last 7-8 years to be able to build up their networks, cable companies have had at least twice that. Plus Cable hasn't been in the ground for anywhere near the time that phone lines have been in the ground. Give cable lines an extra 25 or so years on their age and see if they still hold up like new cable. |
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
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said by oliphant5 :
Maybe yeah, maybe no. You can't predict how long Verizon or SBC will honor this special pricing program. And given their history of never ending price increases in every other sector of their business, the opposite is more likely. They're trying this out to see how many cable HSI customers they can get if any.
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What exact history of "never ending price increases in every other sector of their business" are you talking about? Last I heard, the cost of local phone service has remained the same for the past several years. Are you applying the recent rate hikes by cable companies to the Bells?
Please support your statement with exact examples- specifics please? It's a bit too vague to say, "they're always increasing prices- therefore this will go through the ROOF!"
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JakCrow
join:2001-12-06
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said by boogie74 :
Actually, after the 12 months, you are welcome to re-sign your contract to get the discount for another 12 months- ad infinitum.
Seeing that the latest prices haven't yet been in force for a full 12 months to begin with, it is not unreasonable to expect that the "discounted temporary price" will wind up becoming "permanent" within the next year or so. Marketing trends have ALWAYS been that way- you see it EVERYWHERE, in EVERY industry... (ie: "It's a discount to 'special' customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to most customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to ALL customers...;" then "It's a temporary discount to ALL customers- but if you are 'special' then it's permanent...;" then "It's a permanent price.")
Both SBC and Verizon are on that path already... there is no reason to expect that the prices won't become permanent for everyone within the next year or two.
Boogie
You're wrong. From SBC's own website:
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"*Offer requires a one-year term agreement. After the expiration of this term agreement, the then-current month-to-month or applicable term price will apply. The regular monthly price for the service, modem charge and activation fee of $50.00 will appear on the first bill along with any corresponding and offsetting credits. Offer is available for a limited period of time and is subject to change without notice.
***Available only to new subscribers.
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Now you might try to say that you can cancel and reorder to get another year at the discount rate, but most providers have a "grace period" where they won't give the discount to a customer that just tries to resign up. SBC would probably be one of these providers
You're an SBC employee. You should know these details. Why don't you? |
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oliphant5
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»www.telcobusters.com/newsletter_···view.htm
»telephonyonline.com/ar/telecom_s···ilinois/
»www.consumersunion.org/pub/core_···098.html
»home.mchsi.com/~petesimmons3/Telerates.htm
»www.sptimes.com/2003/04/17/State···_r.shtml
»www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stor···y57.html
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar···n24.html Number portability, .10-.15 says Verizon, however, FCC investigation conducted in 1999 showed BA charging 30% higher, Sprint charging 300% higher than it actually costs to provide number portability. The investigation resulted in charges being reduced by nearly $900 million nationwide.
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JakCrow
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BBC4544
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You proved me correct, they dropped the price for a 1 year term. Thank you. |
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oliphant5
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| LOL! Way to spin guy. So I guess with your logic, Comcast cut their rates for a 6 month term by over 50% to just $19.95.
You shills just crack me up.
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BBC4544
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and who is suppose to be embarrassed????? |
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BBC4544
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what spin, the price used to be $50 a month, they dropped it to $30, that is decreasing the price what don't you understand??? YOU claimed
"Yep, just don't claim that they're cutting prices when they aren't."
You just proved that they dropped the price and you are too stupid to realize it. |
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oliphant5
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| Keep diggin'. The price still is $50 unless you sign a contract with bundled POTS service (running the price up another $15 minimally) and after the 12 month intro price it goes back to the $50 month-to-month price (plus the price of the POTS). And if you should move, or need to cancel service...ding ding ding, $200 penalty.
Again, with your brilliance, Comcast magically cut their rates by over 50%. LMAO.
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boogie74
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Now you might try to say that you can cancel and reorder to get another year at the discount rate, but most providers have a "grace period" where they won't give the discount to a customer that just tries to resign up. SBC would probably be one of these providers
You're an SBC employee. You should know these details. Why don't you?
I do know these details... and with SBC, there is no need to cancel to begin with. You just call and re-sign for another contract at the $29.95 rate.
You are the one saying "SBC would probably be one of those providers."
quote:
Offer requires a one-year term agreement. After the expiration of this term agreement, the then-current month-to-month or applicable term price will apply. The regular monthly price for the service, modem charge and activation fee of $50.00 will appear on the first bill along with any corresponding and offsetting credits. Offer is available for a limited period of time and is subject to change without notice.
Is it POSSIBLE that the "then-current month to month rate" will be $29.95?? Or do you see a number or price quoted in there somehow?
Boogie
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boogie74
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You are actually asking me to look at "anti-anybusiness" websites that collect complaints about 15 cents showing up on a bill? And you are asking me to conclude that this is price gouging and companies having a "history" of constant price increases?
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oliphant5
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| Huh? The Washington Post is anti-anybusiness? The FCC is anti-anybusiness? Telephony online is anti-anybusiness? The St. Petersburg Times is anti-anybusiness? Nice reach there guy.
Yeah, constant price increases. You want me to post links to the 2000 and 2001 price increases? I will. And .15 x 10 million customers is a lot...to the tune according to the FCC of $900 million dollars in over-charges for number portability alone. You don't think 200% profit is a lot...well the FCC disagreed.
$900 million in over- charges for a single feature may not be much to you, but I think it's pretty substantial.
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boogie74
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| Your links are all to articles that have nothing to do with "constant" retail price increases. You actually posted an article detailing about how SBC would like to charge more than $12 for a wholesale line to AT&T and WorldCom (as the national average for UNE-P rates is around $19-22). Your Washington Post article is NOT about how the FCC is suing Verizon for overcharging on LNP, but rather that Verizon Wireless is supporting LNP for wireless service... and that they MIGHT add a 10-15 cent surcharge to cover the cost of implementing the technology necessary for wireless LNP. Your quote details two companies (not SBC NOR VERIZON) BA and Sprint- who were overcharging for LNP from 1998-1999. AND, those charges were REDUCED!
Your third link is about legislation in Florida that (if passed, no less) would allow possible price increases for phone services. There has been NO increase as of yet.
The fourth link is a lobby effort to stop this same FL legislation (still no price increases).
The fifth link talks STILL about the FL legislation (still not passed- hence- no increases in price yet).
The 6th link details a proposed (still no price increase) price CHANGE by Southwestern Bell in MO. They filed a tariff to increase prices on 126 services on April 2 and to lower rates for 27 services. The increases haven't taken effect yet- nor have the DECREASES on the 27 services.
The 7th link is your Washington Post article- which doesn't detail anything about a rate hike (15 cents for wireless LNP??) for telephone services.
So to conclude things, you are really confident that no one reads. Your articles don't detail RATE INCREASES at all. The only 2 that have anything to do with rate changes is one on a POSSIBLE wireless LNP surcharge of 15 cents and a rate increase/decrease tariff filing.
I don't see your "history of rate hikes" anywhere in these links.
And, YES... PLEASE post the list of exact price increases that have been happening- and please organize it by company. Also please include a list of those charges that have DECREASED or STAYED THE SAME (again by company).
Or were you counting on that 15 cents to be your entire list?
Boogie
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oliphant5
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| Yeah right. Would you like that stapled and collated?
You aren't interested in the truth. You shills never are. I could triple your phone bill and you would still say you want MORE links.
But that's your pattern Boogie. Deny deny deny no matter how much undeniable proof is shown to counter your argument.
And I'm sure you'll just continue dismissing the Washington Post and the FCC's reporting on this matter. You would make a great California governor with your knack of denial.
But since you asked (as if you actually cared...this is just another typical Boogie diversion)
»phone-bill-alert.com/ has a comprehensive list BY COMPANY and DATE as his Royal Highness requested of rate and fee increases for various voice services. Since I'm making no claim that any prices stayed the same, that's up to you to prove.
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