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countryjoe
join:2002-07-15
Cloverdale, CA
|  [SRS] Can't share connection any more
Until about two weeks ago, my wireless laptop connection worked, using a Linksys 802.11b Wireless Access Point. Suddenly, the connection failed. I have read most of the FAQs and posting here and have tried several dozen things, none of which worked. I spoke to two tech people at Linksys, but was not able to resolve the problem. Here are the weird parts: when I run the Setup Wizard on the laptop, in the Network Connections section the icon for my Direcway (Earthlink) satellite connection shows up for a few seconds and then disappears by the time the wizard ends. Once, when following the Linksys tech’s directions (he ran through a whole range of changes), the icon re-appeared and stayed, but soon departed. While I had the icon, I put in the recommended IP addresses, but they did not work. The icon on the laptop (also in Network Connections) for Network Bridge flashes between “enabled” and “unplugged” every few seconds. In the system tray, the icons for the WAP connection and the configuration utility are both working and show an “excellent” connection of the wireless system.
One of the reasons I am having difficulty resolving this problem is that my TC/IP settings (when I right click the Direcway/Earthlink icon in my desktop’s Network Connections section) aren’t even close to the numbers I see recommended in postings here. I do not know how these TCP/IP numbers were assigned – I assume through web setup). I have tried to substitute the recommended IP addresses, but then I cannot access the Internet from my desktop. When I return the settings to the originals, all works fine.
A couple of weeks ago, I asked for help enabling the proxy, because I have not been able to do that. None of the suggestions worked, but I have not yet re-run web setup. I wanted first to ask all of you if you about the wireless connection problem.
My TCP/IP numbers (right click Direcway icon on the desktop) are:
IP address: 10.80.45.62
Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Default gateway: 66.82.24.21
Preferred DNS: 198.77.116.8
Alternate DNS: 207.217.120.83
In the “About” section on the Direcway icon in my system tray, Adapter IP address: 10.80.45.62; Gateway IP is 66.82.24.21.
I have enabled ICS on the host (desktop), with first two boxes checked. Only box not checked is “Let other users control or enable...” but it doesn’t seem to make any difference if that is checked or not.
To make matters more confusing, one of the Linksys techs told me that the WAP version 2.2 unit I bought is not for use for a wireless connection. Huh? That’s what it is sold for, and that’s what I used for nearly six months of satellite connection sharing. (I do note, however, that while I could get the laptop to share the connection, the download speed was little more than dial-up). I insisted she was wrong, and we left it at that. Both techs spoke with broken handwriting, so I am not sure we were understanding each other.
In view of all the problems I was having, a friend advised me to upgrade my OS to XP professional, which I did on the laptop. That didn’t make any difference. I have not yet upgraded the desktop. One other point, when I unloaded the entire wireless connection to start over and ran the Linksys utility, I got an error message that said something like no wireless access point could be found, check your wiring. All the wiring is intact, and after a short time of doing nothing, the two icons for the Wireless Network Connection and the Configuration Utility are alive and well in the laptop’s system tray, suggesting that an access point was indeed found. And another odd thing, or maybe not so odd: when the laptop connection worked, it showed a connection at 11 mps, but the desktop always showed it as 10 mps. Not a big deal, but no explanation for this inconsistency.
I am at my wit’s end on this, after spending three full days trying to resolve the problem. Any help is mightily appreciated. If there are postings I should read or re-read, please tell me which, or let me know what other info would be helpful. Some are a lot more understandable than others and some seem to conflict with others. Or should I just pay someone to come in and do a wired shared internet connection? Could I be experiencing a hardware problem with Linksys? If so, I don’t understand how the signals could show an excellent connection.
And..sometimes it appears that DHCP is active, other times not. I see advice to "disable DHCP" but I don't know how to do that.
Finally (is he still here?), I lost track of an earlier thread three weeks ago before I left for a business trip in which I asked for help about frequent freezing up of my desktop satellite connection; this required me to either re-restart or just unplug and re-plug in the modems. Several wise folks urged that I make check to see if the satellite dish was grounded. It was not. I called Earthlink, and they arranged to have a tech come out and ground the dish. This was handled very expeditiously, even though the tech insisted grounding was not necessary. Now I experience one of those unexplained outages only occasionally, which only requires me to unplug and re-plug the satellite modems. So thanks to all who offered advice on that issue.
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| You wrote a lot so I'm going to go through things as they come to mind - warning: they will not be in any logical order.
Do you have a Linksys card on the laptop? When I set my son's up, WinXP kept setting up the wireless NIC on his laptop as 'bridged' presumably because he also has a 'wired' ethernet adapter. Linksys cards will not work bridged.
Could you be losing your IP address lease and not getting a new one from the host? I'd try specifying an IP address on the laptop and see if that helps.
You can locate your correct settings in your paramrsp.acm file which should be here: C:\Program Files\DIRECWAY\BIN\ However your TCP/IP numbers look fine to me.
Have you swapped ethernet cables? It's possible you have a bad cable.
Your laptop should be much faster than dialup if properly tweaked: »Satellite Forum FAQ »[DW4000] I'm sharing my connection on a LAN. Do I need to do more? This will not be the case if either ICS is not set up properly or your proxy isn't setup properly on the host machine.
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| reply to countryjoe
I don't know if this will help any or not, but last week after reading some things about the linksys sight I decided to look for some updated information on my wap11, version 2.2 which I have connected to the network here at home. I have a Toshiba laptop with the wireless built in running xp pro. I saw a firmware upgrade and upgraded the firmware on the wap 11 version 2.2. The next day I lost my wireless connection from the laptop to the wap or any part of the network. The icon would change to connected, say it had excellent reception, and then back to no connection and then a red x would be through the icon. I couldn't ping any part of the network from the laptop to the network. I have my wap11 setup with the default address of 192.168.244.151 and my laptop has an address of 192.168.244.153. When I changed to the ethernet link I could ping the network, including the wap 11 which I have connected to an ethernet switch.
I was able to bring up the wap from the ethernet network machine connected to the switch by putting in the default address 192.168.244.151 in the browser using my password and login. If you've never used it before leave the login blank and put admin in as the password until you can change your login and password. I kept getting an error message saying that the linksys connection was there and that then it was not. I had always left the wep on disable but this time I was forced to configure it this way. After changing the information a second time I went to linksys and downloaded the updated setup installation file for the wap 11 2.2 and put it on the laptop by using the ethernet connection. Once I reconfigured the wap 11 and then ran the new setup file and then configured the wep I was able to connect.
I'm still a little uncertain as to what I did to fix it, but it now works.
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countryjoe
join:2002-07-15
Cloverdale, CA
| reply to seagreen
Dear Seagreen,
Day 7 and I'm on the ledge!
Yes, I have a Linksys card in the laptop. Don't think there is a problem with the Ethernet cable. I have a connection to the WAP, according to the icons on the laptop. I just can't figure out how to connect to the Internet.
In Network Connections, I have the following icons:
1394 connection/1394 Net adapter
Wireless Network connection
Local Area Connection (network cable unplugged it says)
Network Bridge.
I do not see an icon for the Direcway Satellite connection. Someone said this would pop up if I had the right IP addresses. But where? You said my TC/IP numbers look okay -- they're all in the desktop. You said "I'd try specifying an IP address on the laptop..." But where? Which icon? Which IP addresses are consistent with those on the desktop that you said were okay?
I can add IP addresses to either 1394 or the Network Bridge (in the TCP/IP properties sheet), BUT I do not know which icon to use and, worse, I do not know what numbers to put into the icon I select. I've tried every combination of numbers folks on the site have suggested, but obviously I am doing something wrong. I have uninstalled and re-installed everything multiple times with no success.
I'm very grateful for your help so far, but apparently I am more of an idiot than I thought. Just cannot figure this out. I'm really puzzled because everything worked right out of the Linksys box six months ago and then mysteriously stopped working. Can you give me one more cup of help? Many thanks. | |
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| reply to countryjoe
•is the card in the laptop showing as bridged? Please answer this!•Does your laptop have an ethernet NIC?•What is the IP address of your wireless NIC in the laptop? (Start => Run => type in cmd => type in ipconfig /all•How is your WAP connected to your desktop? If by cable, did you try a new cable?•can you ping the IP address of your WAP from your desktop?
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satburn
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| reply to countryjoe
countryjoe:
Did you add that network bridge or did the Linksys setup add it?
Every device you have on your network has an IP Address, a unique address for every device. Without an address information has know way of finding it's to or from the requesting device, much like a letter with no address or return address. Your satelite modem has an address of 10.80.45.62 that address get's the information to your modem which then passes that information (through your USB port) to your PC.
Now then, you want to share that information with other pcs. In order to do that you will need to setup your home network. Typically, home networks are setup using 192.168.0.X where X can be anything between 1 and 254. As a rule you setup your host pc (the pc that has the modems connected to it) as 192.168.0.1, the WAP should be set to another ip address that isn't used (ie 192.168.0.10), and finally your laptop should be set to another ip that isn't being used (ie 192.168.0.2). Remember, it doesn't matter which address you use, but it needs to be unique otherwise the postman won't know which house to deliver the letter to.
To set these addresses on the WAP, you will need to find out the default ip address that it is given at the factory. It should be in your documentation. Type this address into your browsers address line and hit enter. Also, remember to go to Tools->Options->Connections->LAN settings and uncheck the proxy box. Otherwise, it's going to look for that address out on the internet and not on your local network. There should be an option on the screen to specify ip address or obtain ip automatically. You want to specify one and enter 192.168.0.10
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satburn
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Versailles, MO | reply to seagreen
Doh! Sorry Seagreen. I guess I'm too slow.... | |
countryjoe
join:2002-07-15
Cloverdale, CA
| reply to seagreen
1. Yes: it reads: Wireless Network Connection 3. Enabled, bridged. Instant wireless network pc card ver 3.0
2. Yes, it is: 3Com 10/100 Mini PCI Ethernet adapter. The icon for this in Network Connections reads: Local area connection; Disabled/bridge.
3. Not sure. The only icon I could configure is the one for Network Bridge. The IP is 192.168.0.2; subnet mask 255.255.255.0. The PMCIA card has an IP of 192.168.1.2, which I determined by running the Linksys setup on the DESKTOP. When I try to run the setup on the laptop, I get an error message that says no wireless access point found. I cannot ping 192.168.1.2 from either the desktop or the laptop.
4. By ethernet cable. Purchased a new one this morning and replaced. No change.
5. No. It times out x 4.
Again, I point out that there is no icon on the laptop to represent the satellite connection as there used to be. That told me the two computers were communicating. As I said in earlier messages, when I run the setup wizard, I think I see the icon pop up for a few seconds and then disappears.
Re: Satburn's question: Linksys set up the bridge. I'm not understanding the rest of your post. You acknowledge that my satellite IP address is 10.80.45.62...byt then you say "typically, home networks are setup using 192.168.0.x..." How does that apply to my setup? If I use those numbers, I don't connect to the Internet at all.
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| said by countryjoe  :
1. Yes: it reads: Wireless Network Connection 3. Enabled, bridged. Instant wireless network pc card ver 3.0
Linksys cards won't worked bridged; right click on it and choose remove from bridge (or words to that effect)
Please run ipconfig /all from the command prompt on your laptop: (Start => Run => type in cmd => type in ipconfig /all). Please post everything it says.
What is the IP address of your WAP? If it is not in the address range 192.169.0.3-192.168.0.254 please give it a new IP in that range, taking care not to give it one already in use by any other device on your LAN.
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| reply to countryjoe
said by countryjoe :
Re: Satburn's question: Linksys set up the bridge. I'm not understanding the rest of your post. You acknowledge that my satellite IP address is 10.80.45.62...byt then you say "typically, home networks are setup using 192.168.0.x..." How does that apply to my setup? If I use those numbers, I don't connect to the Internet at all.
Your XP host machine (the one with the sat. modems installed) is able to be a member of two networks at once. You have a "home network" and at the same time you have a "Direcway network". Don't worry so much about that yet, right now follow Seagreen's suggestion and let's get you connecting through your WAP to your host pc. Then the internet will come to your laptop.
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Howdy Joe-
Whatta fix yer in! Looks like we may need to start over..Here's what I'd do to start:
On the lappie...disable the '1394' and built-in ethernet(usu LAN or LAN1), since they're not being used (I had to do this on my Dell lappie). Then I'd reboot to ensure it sticks. Now I'd move over to the host.
On the host, the DWay connection should read as you describe..(re: Satburn's correct..10.80.45.62 is yer 'network connection' to DWay,not yer own internal LAN), but yer own LAN should be as described by Sea and Satburn..(198.168.0.1 if using ICS)you presently say it says 'LAN;disabled/bridged'. This is in error and needs fixing. Rerunning the network wizard should fix it, but first we need to gather a few facts: we need to know the IP of the WAPv2.2, may be default unless you've changed it manually earlier. This IP we want to change so that it cannot conflict with anything ICS is likely to assign, so the 192.168.1.x would suffice(note the third octet,ICS would use a 0 here). Once thw WAP has a non-conflicting IP, now we can go and delete all adapters in network connections, reboot and let Win detect everything all over again. I'd re-verify I can access the WAP using a browser and it's new address. Then I'd re-run the network wizard once again, selecting 'share this internet connection' or similar.
Move on over to the lappie: here you say it has an IP of 192.168.1.2..I think this is in error and needs fixing..so I'd delete this adapter, remove the card, reboot, reinsert card. Both Win and WAP should detect it, but it may take a few minutes..be patient. You should see the network icon appear in the systray.nuthin fancy(no DWay,wireless,etc. just a LAN2(Linksys) or similar. Click on it and examine the properties. We want an IP in the ICS range here(192.168.0.x). Assign an IP to it in this range if it doesn't already have one from the ICS host. Try these changes..rely on the wizard to do the heavy lifting to establish the netork, then we can go about using the LCCU on the lappie, or tweak further..first things first,tho. I know it's patience testing..it's not the easiest thing, but you will feel accomplished when it works!
edit: DOH! multi-post info overload(they weren't there when I started typing!)..I'll bow out as it looks like others will get you up and going.:D
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countryjoe
join:2002-07-15
Cloverdale, CA
| reply to seagreen
In Network Connections, I removed the "1394 Connection" from the Bridge. It is enabled. Wireless Network Connection is enabled. These are the only two icons showing in the section titled LAN or High Speed Internet. In the Network Bridge section are: Network Bridge, which says "Network cable unplugged" and Local Area Connection, which says "Network cable unplugged."
The IP address of the WAP has been set to 192.169.0.2 (Incidentally, I did this by inserting the Linksys Setup Wizard CD in the desktop and then ran the wizard, which let me change the IP address. I tried to run the wizard on the laptop, but kept getting an error message that said "No wireless access point found." Meantime, in the systray, there are icons for the Wireless Internet Utility and one for the Wireless Internet Connection, which shows "excellent" signal strength at 11 mps.)
I ran ipconfig /all on the laptop. Here's what it says:
Hostname 8100laptop
Primary DNS suffix
Node type Mixed
IP routing enabled No
Win Proxy enabled No
Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection 3
Connection-specific DNS Suffix
Description: Instant Wireless Network PC Card ver 3.0
Physical address: 00-06-25-28-4D-61
Dhcp enabled: No
IP address: 192.168.0.2 (which I don't understand, as I just set it up as 192.169.0.2 with the setup utility, and that's what the utility shows when I re-run it)
Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Default gateway:
DNS Servers: 198.77.116.8 and 207.217.120.83
Ethernet adapter Network Bridge (Network Bridge) 54:
Media state: disconnected
Description: MAC bridge miniport
Physical address: 02-04-76-4C-65-92
That's it. Thanks to you, F.A.B., and Satburn for your help. I feel like I'm in the intensive care ward waiting for the doctors!
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| said by countryjoe :
The IP address of the WAP has been set to 192.169.0.2
You don't want that IP address on your WAP - you want to be in the same address range that ICS puts the host, so 192.168.0.3 would be good (assuming you have no other machines on your LAN with that IP address), 192.169.0.2 is not.
The IP address that IP config /all shows you is not your WAP, it's your laptop's Wireless NIC - I think you are confusing the two. The address that you got from ipcongfig /all is perfect - don't touch it.
Ignore the 1394 thing - it's nothing to do with what we are doing. Same for Local Area connection - that's probably your ethernet adapter. The only thing we need to be concerned about is your Wireless adapter. Because you have those other adapters and XP - it's going to try to set up your wireless connection as "bridged" and you don't want that. So is your wireless NIC currently shown as bridged or not? You'll have to answer the questions as I don't have an XP laptop in front of me to refresh my memory on. 
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countryjoe
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Cloverdale, CA
| reply to countryjoe
Small addendum. After removing the bridges, I was able to run the Linksys setup wizard on the laptop. It shows the WAP IP address is 192.169.02, but ipconfig /all shows it as 192.168.0.2.
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| said by countryjoe :
It shows the WAP IP address is 192.169.02, but ipconfig /all shows it as 192.168.0.2.
ipconfig /all is showing you the IP address of your wireless NIC - not your WAP.
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countryjoe
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| reply to countryjoe
OK, I changed the WAP IP to 192.168.0.3 using the Linksys setup utility (on the laptop).
No, the Wireless Network Connection is not bridged. (The only two items that are are "unplugged" -- Network Bridge and Local Area Connection.
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seagreen
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OK - from the laptop, can you ping the WAP? Can you ping the host (192.168.0.1)? | |
countryjoe
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Cloverdale, CA | No, cannot ping 192.168.0.1 -- got 4 timed out messages. | |
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| From the host machine can you ping the WAP?
I'm assuming you have no firewalls either running or installed on either machine, correct?
Pinging the WAP from the client machine worked, right?
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countryjoe
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| Cannot ping the WAP from the host. I have Zone Alarm installed on both computers, but even with them shut down, cannot ping the WAP. I unchecked the Firewall box for the Direcway connection.
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