roamer1
sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
clubs:
| reply to Marvelous
Re: NorVergence Continued
said by Marvelous:
Adtran Total Access 750
I think you're right...
I just noticed in the NorVergence PDF they refer to the term "TSU" -- guess what, that's Adtran's name for their line of CSU/DSU products!
Also, I checked the Total Access 750's spec sheet
»www.adtran.com/adtranpx/Doc/0/2L···1-8E.pdf and the Matrix box and the 750 chassis are the same size.
-SC
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joein610
join:2003-07-03
Media, PA
| Actually They have a product glossy for their Clients...
and YES its Im sure is an ADTRAN... the TOTAL ACCESS 850 Sell for $2500... SO WHY DO they IT FOR $15,000-$25,000???
AND WITH NORVERGENCE there is NO WARRANTY BY THEM!!
YOU PAY EVEN IF ITS BROKE OR STOLEN!
THEY CANT ANSWER THIS !!!
JOE |
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joein610
join:2003-07-03
Media, PA
| IT NOT New Technology JUST A NEW Technology SCAM....
When someboady signs up for Norvergence... The LEASE is made with the CLIENT and the LEASING Company
NOT
The CLIENT and NORVERGENCE ..
So
1. YOU HAVE to PAY FOR it NO Matter if its Broken or Stolen
2. You Cant Brake the Contract
3. Norvergence Gets all the Money up from front from the Leasing Company.. So they dont even Need Outside Funding
As Long as they Keep Selling Deals they will Never Run out of Money...
But for the BIG BUCKS$$$$$$$ and GETTING Suckered in to a DEAL with NORVERGENCE Consider this FIRST...
- VERIZON Service Plan $35.00 plus Dial Tone Charge and
Unlimited Local and Long Distance
- Alligence Was just into my office and for $29.00/Line you get Unlimited Local and 500 Min of Tolls per Line
- T-Mobile -- Cell Phone 1000 Mins for $39.00
- Comcast will have dial tone in the next few Months
- Vonage.com -- $39.99 UNLIMITED local and long distance calling within the US & Canada.
- AND SO ON AND SO ON...
SO Pay $20,000 for the BOX Its your money and its good for the economy !!!!!
Joe V
joein610@aol.com
Email me if you need any other Norvergence Info or Contracts in PDF form |
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bhood
join:2003-09-01
Redlands, CA
|  reply to klawler
As a customer and telecom professional it seems that the problem that I keep reading about at Norvergence is the customer size.
Anyone with less than $500-$1000 per month in in-bound and out-bound voice (not talking about cellular) is not a good prospect.
What Norvergence is selling is a hardware solution, with support, that allows you to put all of your traffic over the internet.
Yes, the lease price is high if you just look at the equipment. Try getting a carrier to support this tpe of solution for less than $200 per month. Sprint tried it and failed (Remember ION). |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | reply to shuntva
scam! stay away from these guys! SCAM! |
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reg64
join:2003-08-31
Lewisville, TX
| reply to bhood
That is a good point regarding the comparison to Sprint ION. I do wonder why all of the negative postings on this company, when you consider what they are attempting to do is not all that far fetched. As an independent telecom agent this solution does cause concern from a competitive point of view. The amount of traffic to be billed monthly decreases substantially, which leads to reduced commissions.
Aside from all the skepticism, I really believe this could work in those enterprises where the volume does exceed $2,000 per mo in LD traffic. Honestly a solution such as this application could reduce the "revenue pie" substantially. |
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mcsquared007
join:2003-08-25
Chicago, IL | reply to joein610
Do you work for Verizon? |
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reg64
join:2003-08-31
Lewisville, TX | No I do not work for Verizon. I actually rep for a few resellers and facilities based providers. |
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reg64
join:2003-08-31
Lewisville, TX | By the way, are there any other similar type companies doing what Norvergence is trying to accomplish? |
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joein610
join:2003-07-03
Media, PA
| I have not heard of any Norvergence Competitors Yet...
But then Again Maybe there wont be.. And maybe they even might not Last.. I’m sure they don’t have the Funding and the Sales to keep it Going.. These Days with the economy people are watching what they are spending, so I don’t think they will get ALOT of takers on the 5 Year Contract unless the saving is Extraordinary.
My client had a $8000 / month phone bill and the Best Norvergence could save was under $200/ month... Doesn’t it sound Lame? 2.5% ... Yikes.. Where the Savings??????
Joe |
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closecall
@chcgil.ameritech
| reply to joein610
Re: NorVergence Scam
These guys are too smooth with their 3 phase approval process etc... The paperwork looks legitimate but very vague and I still can't find anybody who knows anything about Norvergence.
I am glad I did a Google search and found this link. Thanks for the info, I'm bailing on Norvergence before they install the matrix box I ordered.
I guess smooth sounding salespeople and other reps who called really have their act together. I should have been skeptical when the young lady asked if she could "come around to my side of the desk" to show me the proposal during our second meeting. I'm a sales guy and know this technique, but I let it slide because the money looked to good. $1550 for my costs down to their $1050, a $500/month savings but at what cost?
My DSL works fine and so does the cellular. I can only imagine what a nightmare it must be for those relying on Norvergence to support this equipment.
I wonder if they will make headlines antime soon? |
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closecall
@chcgil.ameritech | I Just found some new jobs posted on Monster from Norvergence. Salespeople with annual incomes of $150K and inside salespeople at $135K. Yeah, their taking our money and paying big $$$ to the reps to keep selling!!! |
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bhood
join:2003-09-01
Redlands, CA
| These posts amaze me. First, because sales people are paid well does not equal scam. Up until 3-years ago I was an outside sales person and would not even look at a job unless it paid more than $100K per year (assuming I did my job). Understand that good sales people make good money. That goes for Norvergence, Sprint, MCI, etc.
Second, of all the posts that I found here, few are from actual customers. A couple describe typcal telecom issues - slow installs, over worked staff, etc. Couple customers that are happy (like me).
But the majority of posts are from people who do not have a clue about the telecom industry at the level Norvergence is playing.
Norvergence is providing a fully MANAGED ATM Media Gateway for $00-$500 per month. THIS IS COMPETATIVE.
This two biggest problems I see are that some sales people are doing the cost justification using cellular costs. Take the cellular away and you can not justify the lease of the Media Gateway.
Second problem is that Norvergence is bringing this solution down to a different level of customer that is not accustom to seeing these types of solutions. Go to any large companies telecom department and they will not blink an eye at this.
I am a happy customer (some install issues but welcome to telecom)and looking to install my third location. I am on my second rep (first was an idiot) and would recomend Norvergence to anyone. |
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myadog
join:2003-08-27
New York, NY
| reply to closecall
said by closecall:
I Just found some new jobs posted on Monster from Norvergence. Salespeople with annual incomes of $150K and inside salespeople at $135K. Yeah, their taking our money and paying big $$$ to the reps to keep selling!!!
Norvergence solution is very simple! They are not a provider of any sorts!!! They are a match maker between the client and the service. They consolidate all telco bills. There is no scam there is no anything. The company has grown 250% since inception and has many positive write ups in many publications! It is human nature for people to be afraid of what they do not know! This is a new solution for the public. The company is not splitting atoms here, just saving people money! And as far as the sales people makeing to much money or that they are all scripted. So be it. I am in sales, good sales people make well over 100k. My brother has this solution i attended the initial meeting with the sales agent. He was very professional! I think all you tech heads should really get up from you PC, take the dog for a walk or go sit in the park. The only thing fugazi here is your knowledge!
-Mark CEO The Hunn Group |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | reply to shuntva
Re: NorVergence Continued
i love reading posts from people that joined 3 days ago. makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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reg64
join:2003-08-31
Lewisville, TX
| reply to bhood
Re: NorVergence Scam
My big question regarding the Norvergence solution is whether or not it is a good fit for the call center industry. The majority of my clients are currently utilizing dedicated LD with a 6/1 billing platform (6 sec minimum with 1 second billing increments). Also to be considered is compatibility with predictive and auto dialers. Would it work and save money? |
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progolfer39
join:2003-09-09
North Attleboro, MA |  reply to Marvelous
Re: NorVergence Continued
Hi there! Can anyone please advise me why I should not work for NorVergence? I see all of the horror show postings here and I'm very very afraid!! HELP!!! |
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rustylugnut
join:2003-09-09
| I have been working for Norvergence for almost a month now. Yes they do have their problems but most new companies do.
Is it a good deal for the customer? I haven’t decided since I'm just a lowly installer. I'm not real excited by their tactics and some of those tactics will get them in big trouble some day. The T-1 deal is good when packaged with cell phones. But why someone would sign a five year contract escapes me. One of the "solutions" is installing router boxes and claiming them to be "extra protection" on their existing DSL connection. When many already have a firewall/router on their network. Many people are getting a cheap router that won't connect (or work) with their existing equipment. And we are to NEVER mention exactly what it is or what it is suppose to do. So they end up with a cheap useless firewall box, which many customers don’t need, that would cost $30.00 new but they end up leasing it for five years. But I blame greedy sales people and a company that is willing to look the other way. And I also blame ignorant customers who don't know what they are getting in to. Every “SOHO” customer I’ve installed doesn’t really care about what I install they just keep asking about their unlimited usage cell phone.
Is it a good place to work?
The pay is decent, I'm way over qualified for the job but the work is easy and I needed the work. I’ll keep working hard but I got my resume handy  |
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nonymous
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ
| reply to shuntva
Why a middle man. Oh, so they can pay the sales people big money. Not too hard for even a little guy to get a T1 and the equipment to use it. Some knowledge is required but in most major cities a reliable telecom hardware vendor can set up the system and help deal with the telco to get what you need.
So all I need to do is rename an adtran a matrix box and rent it for way more than it's cost. Retirement here I come. |
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progolfer39
join:2003-09-09
North Attleboro, MA
| reply to rustylugnut
Hey "rustylugnut" or should I call you by your real name?
"HYPOCRITE"!! Are you for real you pompous ass?
Let me get this straight....1)you are answering people's inquiries on this message board to questions about NorVergence 2)you are appalled at the "greedy salespeople" and managementof the company that YOU work for, but as you said: "I'm way over qualified but I needed the job" 3)you are admitting that the product is basically useless but you'll install it anyway and also keep your resume updated on the side.
Folks, please! I don't work for Norvergence but am supposed to start soon unless I tell them: "Thanks, but no thanks".
Again PLEASE do not use what this hypocritical A-hole is saying as a basis for anything. Personally I won't be working for this company but I have to question the motivation and tactics that the people who work for them are using.
Thank you |
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