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Michael
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reply to DKS
Re: Anyone here listen to scanners?

said by DKS See Profile:
I understand you can listen to such material but you can't talk about it. Talking about it *is* a crime.
It's been quite some time since I have owned a scanner and the laws may have changed but my last recollection regarding the legalities of what you hear on a scanner are as follows:

You cannot divulge what you have heard on a scanner and you cannot use any information heard on a scanner for personal gain of any sort.

It is not illegal to listen to cell phones in Canada, however it is illegal in the U.S.
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JayMan
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said by DKS See Profile:
said by Krispy See Profile:
Just being Captain Obvious here but...you do know that is a federal crime right? We have a 'leakage' tech that drives our cable systems with all sorts of crazy scanning devices to find RF faults and he has to take great care not to listen in on frequencies such as 900MHZ as we can get in a lot of trouble for that.
I understand you can listen to such material but you can't talk about it. Talking about it *is* a crime.

It's only illegal if you hear about the cops about to raid a persons house and you call them to warn them.


Keith
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Fort Erie, ON


reply to Airwolf
I may have saved a life Listening to a scanner(pat's myself on the back) I heard a fire /ambulance call in my building and I preformed A/R reviving the lady As the Fire department arrived so Listening to a scanner can have it's advantages
--edit a fewwwww years ago
the only stupid question is the one not asked

[text was edited by author 2003-07-22 17:13:12]


Michael
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Canada

reply to JayMan
said by JayMan See Profile:
It's only illegal if you hear about the cops about to raid a persons house and you call them to warn them.
Actually, you are not allowed to divulge anything heard on your scanner and you are also not allowed to use any info heard for personal gain, as I wrote earlier.
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Snickerdo
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Niagara Falls, ON

reply to Krispy
said by Krispy See Profile:
Just being Captain Obvious here but...you do know that is a federal crime right? We have a 'leakage' tech that drives our cable systems with all sorts of crazy scanning devices to find RF faults and he has to take great care not to listen in on frequencies such as 900MHZ as we can get in a lot of trouble for that.
Actually, that's incorrect. It's not a crime in Canada to listen in to unecrypted wireless conversations SO LONG AS you do not use the contents of those conversations in acts of corporate sabotage. Since Cogeco is a corporation it might have something to do with the fact that you can't listen in. A person with a scanner can listen to everything in the 800MHz and 900MHz band, though.
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Snickerdo
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Niagara Falls, ON

reply to Michael
said by Michael See Profile:
Actually, you are not allowed to divulge anything heard on your scanner and you are also not allowed to use any info heard for personal gain, as I wrote earlier.
Actually, that's also incorrect. You can release the contents of the conversation all you want, so long as it isn't used for purposes of corporate sabotage. I believe you can even use it for 'personal gain' as long as it is within the bounds of other laws. There is a website based out of Ottawa that has recordings of all sorts of analog 800MHz cell phone conversations available for download from the net. Nothing at all illegal about, as much as everyone in Ottawa wishes it were
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Michael
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Looks like the laws have changed quite a bit since I was a scanner enthusiast.

I still question the part about being able to use information you have heard for personal gain as I just cannot see the laws changing that drastically.
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DKS
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
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reply to Keith
said by Keith See Profile:
I may have saved a life Listening to a scanner(pat's myself on the back) I heard a fire /ambulance call in my building and I preformed A/R reviving the lady As the Fire department arrived so Listening to a scanner can have it's advantages
--edit a fewwwww years ago
the only stupid question is the one not asked

[text was edited by author 2003-07-22 17:13:12]

I beat the fire department to a couple of calls on my street a few years ago . Had a good chuckle with the fire chief about too!
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DKS
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Owen Sound, ON
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reply to Michael
Scanners are still legal. Analogue scanners don't need to be licensed, but digital ones do. Here are the regs.

»strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/1/sh50761e.html .
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Michael
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Canada

reply to Snickerdo
I did a little research and found a story about that site based out of Ottawa. Seems it is no longer in business. See screenshot.

Here is a link to the story:

»www.canoe.ca/CNEWSTechNews0106/0···sun.html

And here are some quotes from it:

quote:
A new Ottawa-based website, www.cellphonescanner.com (to which a pornographic ad seemed to have been added late last night), is streaming live cellphone audio onto the Net from a radio that scans cellphone frequencies in the city.

While some might question whether it's ethical, it's entirely legal, and probably a stomach-churning shock to Ottawa's myriad of cellphone users who hadn't thought much about the fact that they're using a fancy two-way walkie-talkie on public airwaves.
quote:
Dave Dawson, director of Regulatory Policy and Planning at Industry Canada, the federal department which regulates radio communications and radio spectrum in Canada, said the law is indefinite in this area.

"The law was intended to stop people from doing this kind of thing for criminal purposes or for commercial theft," said Dawson. "For example, no one shall intercept and make use of or divulge any radio communications interactions.

"But, people are misguided if they think their cellphone conversations are private," said Dawson.
quote:
The www.cellphonescanner.com site is registered officially to Mike Smith at 1337 Main St. in Gloucester, a fictitious address. Efforts to reach the owner were unsuccessful.

The site claims to be "the Internet's first live streaming broadcast of cellular phone conversations" and posts a disclaimer on the privacy issue:

"Under Canadian law it is not illegal to listen to cellular broadcasts, it is however illegal to use any of the information you hear on the radio frequencies for your own personal gain, or for malicious purposes. Here at www.cellphonescanner.com we do not condone this type of activity."
I got a kick out of the (former) site's disclaimer policy as it seems to indicate that what he was doing with the site was wrong. I guess that is open to interpretation though. I wonder why the site is no longer broadcasting cellular phone calls...
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Dark Shoes
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Montreal, QC

reply to Ian
said by Ian See Profile:
CSIS already records all of your phone and internet traffic to listen to and read, anyway.. Adjusts tin-foil hat..
Don't forget about the Communications Security Establishment.

»www.cse-cst.gc.ca/
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Big Sis
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Regina, SK
reply to Beverly0
Hey Sis... I remember Mom telling me about that. LOL!


Michael
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join:2001-05-06
Canada

reply to Dark Shoes
Would you believe I actually typed in CSE instead of NSE in my previous post? Damn spy agencies trying to protect their identities.

In all seriousness, the CSE has some awesome capabilities according to the couple of books I have read about them. I honestly do not believe that ordinary citizens have truly secure communications.
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Dark Shoes
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Montreal, QC

said by Michael See Profile:
Would you believe I actually typed in CSE instead of NSE in my previous post? Damn spy agencies trying to protect their identities.
I actually thought you were trying to type NSA, very close either way.

You're right about nothing being secure, maybe from your neighbour but not the government. If it's electronic then there's a good chance the CSE is monitoring it in some way. Their super-computers are crunching data all the time just like the National Security Agency does in the U.S.
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Snickerdo
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Niagara Falls, ON

said by Dark Shoes See Profile:
You're right about nothing being secure, maybe from your neighbour but not the government. If it's electronic then there's a good chance the CSE is monitoring it in some way. Their super-computers are crunching data all the time just like the National Security Agency does in the U.S.
Not only that, but I get a real kick out of privacy freaks believing its their god-given right to be able to do anything anywhere without anyone watching them. In your home, at long as it doesn't travel beyond your home is certainly something that should always remain private. Outside of your home (e.g. on the street) and stuff that leaves your home (e.g. telephone calls) are public domain. If you think that they're secure or that they should be secure you've got another thing coming. I mean my god, how on earth do you believe that monitoring cameras installed in a downtown core infringe on your personal privacy?! Anyone anywhere can watch you and following where you're going. What difference does a camera make?
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