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ifarrell join:2000-08-10 Willow Spring, NC ·Vonage	reply to pianotech Re: Very nice of them! said by pianotech : I didn't see the words, "don't infringe" anywhere. Did you? Perhaps you should have this out with EFF if it bothers you. You obviously take every written word literally. Perhaps you should be a Lawyer for the RIAA, they are obviously need narrow minded people like you.
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pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	said by ifarrell : Perhaps you should be a Lawyer for the RIAA, they are obviously need narrow minded people like you. Thanks for the suggestion, but musicians make lousy lawyers. -- Composer, performer, pianist
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The Truth7 join:2003-05-24 River Grove, IL	sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer. Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular. Why aren't they? Cuz the fucking record industry would rather say buy the whole cd, even though the rest of it is crap for the average 15 bucks. There's no competition in this field either. Its not like record labels are going to price war with eachother, they banded together and charge the same avg price. Thats why there was a class action law suit against them which they LOST. They're not offering any way for the consumer to justify the current price scheme. Thats why there's people sharing these files, and sharing your music. If most of your music is crap, noone's gonna buy your damn cd, point blank. Thats how it should be too, its called competative advantage. Just bs scare tactics by a company thats started their own death. I really hope they realise that by sending out all those subpeona'a and screwing all those people like that, they're going to piss off a large amount of today's youth and they aren't going to buy the crap anymore. You think this is going to make the people buy their cd's? Ha! The people getting sued, are going to tell their friend and family to stop, that the record industry can piss off. If your going to go on your whole "i'm a musician" play, well guess what, i am too. Its simple economics, quality=consistent demand for your product. Quantity without quality=diminished demand.
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ravital Just Another Pesky Independent Nh Voter Premium join:2001-07-19 Merrimack, NH	said by The Truth7 : If most of your music is crap, noone's gonna buy your damn cd, point blank. Here is where your argument fails: The fact that a particular piece of music is bought by many people and downloaded (legally or not) by many others is not an indication of the quality of the work. The difference between the shrink-wrapped CD from the store and the P2P-downloaded material is not that the CD is garbage and the d/l music is the greatest work of music ever recorded. The difference is that the CD is 90% garbage that the consumer doesn't want and the d/l music is 100% garbage that the consumer wants. Okay, probably not 100% garbage, but this principle that "lots of people want it = high quality music" is simply not true. I mean, isn't that how RIAA labels have suckered all of us for years to begin with? "top 40" and "Platinum" and "Best selling" all of a sudden are the marks of quality? If music proves anything, it proves that different people have different tastes, and what's garbage to you is the most beautiful music to someone else. said by The Truth7 : they're going to piss off a large amount of today's youth and they aren't going to buy the crap anymore. While we're on the topic of "today's youth" and different musical tastes and garbage music and all that, I'm sure there's a few young folks out there who dig Jazz or classical music, but do you think you can find a lot of those kinds of music on an average day on Kazaa or any other P2P network? So if you can't find any Bach or Beethoven or Keith Jarrett or Charlie Mingus on P2P, does that mean they're garbage? [text was edited by author 2003-07-27 02:32:53]
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pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	reply to The Truth7 said by The Truth7 : sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer. Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular. I agree with you 200%. A buck is actually the highest they should be. .75-99 cents would be about right. That said, the artist deserves that 79-99 cents if the song is downloaded and kept. I think the CD model has been dead for several years now except for classical works where you have entire symphonies. -- Composer, performer, pianist
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wtansill Ncc1701 join:2000-10-10 Falls Church, VA	said by pianotech : said by The Truth7 : sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer. Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular. I agree with you 200%. A buck is actually the highest they should be. .75-99 cents would be about right. That said, the artist deserves that 79-99 cents if the song is downloaded and kept. I think the CD model has been dead for several years now except for classical works where you have entire symphonies. So in your estimation that $0.75-$0.99 should go to the artist in addition to the royalties already charged on blank CD media that are there specifically to compensate the artists for supposed losses attributed to downloading? I'm sorry, my argument would be that I've already paid for that privilege via the up-front royalty fee. Additionally, there are many, many folks who never D/L music, and who only use the CDs to back up data, create family photo albums etc. These folks never receive a dime's of value from their royalty contribution. Why is it that you only see "theft" as a one-way venture? -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony.
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pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	said by wtansill : said by pianotech : said by The Truth7 : sry buddy, i'm a musician too and guess what. Musicians should be paid based on the performance they promote to the consumer. Single's should cost no more then a buck a piece and they should be readily available for the songs that are popular. I agree with you 200%. A buck is actually the highest they should be. .75-99 cents would be about right. That said, the artist deserves that 79-99 cents if the song is downloaded and kept. I think the CD model has been dead for several years now except for classical works where you have entire symphonies. So in your estimation that $0.75-$0.99 should go to the artist in addition to the royalties already charged on blank CD media that are there specifically to compensate the artists for supposed losses attributed to downloading? I'm sorry, my argument would be that I've already paid for that privilege via the up-front royalty fee. Additionally, there are many, many folks who never D/L music, and who only use the CDs to back up data, create family photo albums etc. These folks never receive a dime's of value from their royalty contribution. Why is it that you only see "theft" as a one-way venture? I don't see theft as a one-way venture, I see it as a two-way venture. Labels rip off consumers, and they rip off the artists. Furthermore, the "royalty" on blank cd's is wrong also, because as you said, people who use cdr's for things that have nothing to do with music are paying it. Plus, that is only distributed to major acts who have contracts with major labels (read, the RIAA), not independents like me. So in consideration of everything I just said, why should I not receive 79-99 cents for a song? I'm independent, have no label, and could care less about the RIAA. -- Composer, performer, pianist [text was edited by author 2003-07-27 12:28:32]
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wtansill Ncc1701 join:2000-10-10 Falls Church, VA	said by pianotech : I don't see theft as a one-way venture, I see it as a two-way venture. Labels rip off consumers, and they rip off the artists. Furthermore, the "royalty" on blank cd's is wrong also, because as you said, people who use cdr's for things that have nothing to do with music are paying it. Plus, that is only distributed to major acts who have contracts with major labels (read, the RIAA), not independents like me. So in consideration of everything I just said, why should I not receive 79-99 cents for a song? I'm independent, have no label, and could care less about the RIAA. -- Composer, performer, pianist [text was edited by author 2003-07-27 12:28:32] Ok, I'll bite. What genre of music do you produce? Where and how is it available? I frequent events such as Celtic festivals, Native American pow-wows, Renaissance Fairs, Irish Pubs (Seamus Kennedy is a favorite) and such, and purchase CDs at those events in direct support of the artists who produced the works. I've also purchased CDs or simply donated money to various street musicians (New Alburado, for instance, creates a blend of Chilean, Andean, and Peruvian music -- I ran into them performing live outside Luray Caverns, of all places!) If you have something I'm interested in and I can find it for purchase, I'll happily support your endeavors in exchange for a chance to enjoy the music. The one thing that these have in common though, is that I'm able to hear the music before I purchase it, so I know what I'm getting and whether I like it in advance. -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. [text was edited by author 2003-07-27 13:00:10]
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SRFireside join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX	reply to pianotech I am betting that royalty charge on blank audio CD's doesn't go to any artist at all. I bet all of that money goes to the record label's coffers. It would be easy for them to legally keep the money as the artist cannot prove their music was going to be copied on these disks. However the label can say the money is helping the musician through funding the marketing and promotional costs. Of course this is all bunk, but on paper it looks all nice and legal. So as far as the artist is concerned those blank audio disks do NOTHING to support them. BTW wtansill not all blank CD's have that royalty surcharge. Only blank CD's marked as audio, and I seriously doubt people buy those to back up computer data. -- Love Science Fiction? www.spacestationzoom.com
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wtansill Ncc1701 join:2000-10-10 Falls Church, VA	said by SRFireside : BTW wtansill not all blank CD's have that royalty surcharge. Only blank CD's marked as audio, and I seriously doubt people buy those to back up computer data. A good point. Frankly, I but the discount CDs 50-100 to a spindle. I've not explicitly checked the see if they were "Audio" CDs or not. That said, I've used them to back up audio CDs for use in my wife's van, the CD player in my machine at work, etc. with no issues. I'm guessing that the public at large does not make the distinction either -- they see a spindle of CDs on the shelf at CompUSA, for instance, and add them to their cart, "Audio" or not... Regardless of the above -- if you produce music of a genre I like, and it is easily available outside the clutches of the RIAA, I'll certainly consider buying it. You too are a musician, yes? -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony. [text was edited by author 2003-07-27 13:27:29]
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pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	reply to SRFireside said by SRFireside : I am betting that royalty charge on blank audio CD's doesn't go to any artist at all. I bet all of that money goes to the record label's coffers. It would be easy for them to legally keep the money as the artist cannot prove their music was going to be copied on these disks. However the label can say the money is helping the musician through funding the marketing and promotional costs. Of course this is all bunk, but on paper it looks all nice and legal. So as far as the artist is concerned those blank audio disks do NOTHING to support them. You are absolutely right, and I highly doubt those so-called "royalties" are distributed to any artists also. The RIAA has a long history of screwing the artists AND the consumer (like the recent price-fixing case that was settled), and that's just another example of it. -- Composer, performer, pianist
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pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	Speaking of the RIAA screwing artists, you all know how Buddy Holly was killed in a plane crash...but did you know why he was in the plane in the first place? Because he was broke and had to do the Winter Dance Party to support himself and his new bride. The kicker...he already had a string of top-10 hits, his label had made millions...and he was still broke! So the rest is history...charter a cheap private plane, organize a tour, and blam. Same with Jim Croce. Though he had two platinum albums and a string of top-10 hits in the 70's, he also was broke. ABC Records had already made millions, but not a cent of it had been distributed to him yet. Same circumstances as with Holly, he put together a tour as cheaply as he could since he couldn't afford better, chartered a cheap, rickety private plane, ...end of Croce. Just two examples of the recording industry ripping off established, prestigious, profitable acts. There are many more, I'm sure. -- Composer, performer, pianist
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SRFireside join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX	reply to wtansill My bet is people get the data CD's since they are cheaper. Only the ones who don't know the difference would buy the audio blanks. Yes I am a musician, but don't have an album produced at this time (long story). I do have a mess of work-in-progress songs I have no issues sharing. I suppose you can say it's mostly electronica with some ambient music thrown in. Though I do play around with various other styles of music. -- Love Science Fiction? www.spacestationzoom.com
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wtansill Ncc1701 join:2000-10-10 Falls Church, VA	said by SRFireside : My bet is people get the data CD's since they are cheaper. Only the ones who don't know the difference would buy the audio blanks. Yes I am a musician, but don't have an album produced at this time (long story). I do have a mess of work-in-progress songs I have no issues sharing. I suppose you can say it's mostly electronica with some ambient music thrown in. Though I do play around with various other styles of music. Any possibility of hearing any of it? I just clicked the link on PianoTech's response and wound up at MP3.com. Wife's out of town with the credit card (long story here too ), but having sampled the available tracks from "Tranquility", I intend to purchase the CD as soon as I get access to the card. I'd prefer to purchase directly if possible though -- I'm one of those Luddites who doesn't much care for online shopping <sigh> -- That which does not kill me merely prolongs the agony.
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SRFireside join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX	Aside from finding the artist name I go under (The Human Race) on KazaA the only other way, and likely best way since I hardly use P2P these days, would be a direct file transfer via AIM, ICQ, email or whatever else is out there. I don't have an ftp server set up. Like I said before I am not heavily promoting so I have no excuse for not making money on my music. I do have a PayPal account though if any music lovers want to contribute . If seriously interested in hearing some stuff send me a private message and we can work out the details. -- Love Science Fiction? www.spacestationzoom.com
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pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	Ncc 1701, Thanks for the listen and for the kind words. Fireside, Count me in as well...I'd love to hear your stuff. Let me know how to make it happen. -- Composer, performer, pianist
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pianotech Pianotech Premium join:2002-12-30 New Castle, PA	I gotta tell ya, you guys are making me rethink..
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Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY	reply to pianotech RE: but musicians make lousy lawyers No truer words spoken. If a musician's had any knowledge of contract law they wouldn't sign the contracts they do -- low Brass Rules!
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Transmaster Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus join:2001-06-20 Cheyenne, WY ·Qwest.net	reply to pianotech I too am a musician. I have very little interest in Hip-hop, crap, whoops I mean Rap. What I want to see is catalogues put online, Kay Kaiser, Jackie Gleason, and other of the big band area. The original performances of Doo-whop done by the black bands, not the rip-off white covers. Music that has been buried because of PC considerations, war time music such as Andrew's Sister's "Your a Sap Mr. Jap" This is what I want. This is what I looked for P2P, stuff which hadn't been published for decades. The Movie industry fought the VCR tooth and nail but then they found out their vast vaults filled with old movies suddenly where worth a bunch of money. So now you can get such cinematic jewels and "Biker chicks", Nudist Camp on the Moon, "It Came From The Future", Santa Claus defeats the Martians (this my be the worst movie ever made) movies that are so bad, they are a scream to watch. This is what I want to have in music, access to all the which has been recorded in one format or another, piano rolls, on wax, on wire, on the optical tracks of film in the early 30's. etc. Make it available in a subscription format with unlimited down loads. I am not talking about new releases, I am talking about stuff that hasn't been heard in decades. My tastes in music are very eclectic. I can and do groove out on John Philip Sousa. I have played much of his catalogue with my first love in low brass the Euphonium, or big band music on my second love the Trombone. I love playing and listening to early brass choir music written in Henry VIII's time, playing it with original instrumentation. Is this to much to ask. -- low Brass Rules!
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petecellar join:2002-10-15 Philadelphia, PA	reply to ravital [QUOTE]While we're on the topic of "today's youth" and different musical tastes and garbage music and all that, I'm sure there's a few young folks out there who dig Jazz or classical music, but do you think you can find a lot of those kinds of music on an average day on Kazaa or any other P2P network? So if you can't find any Bach or Beethoven or Keith Jarrett or Charlie Mingus on P2P, does that mean they're garbage? QUOTE] For what it's worth, there is a LOT of Jazz and Classical on P2P.
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