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said by ftzsee  , in the Comcast Forum:
The people in the security forum are overly paranoid.
In this discussion, some people say a firewall is unnecessary! I hope the person who asked for advice doesn't believe them. |
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Nerdtalker
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clubs: | I still can't believe those people think firewalls are unnecessary. |
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BlitzenZeus
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There is a big difference between paranoid, and prepared.
One day they will see the light after they have been taken over by a trojan, or their computer was turned into a zombie by a hacker.
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DrStrange
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Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean someone really isn't out to get us.
I'm glad I'm hiding behind a router so I don't have to see all the port 80 and 135 probes coming from those Comcast customers who don't think they need firewalls. |
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If a FW isn't configured properly, it is useless indeed. However, if you know how to configure it, you will soon learn that it is imperative to have one. |
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BlitzenZeus
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| I don't get on the internet without a firewall configured... I run XP Pro(NT 5.1) which is a Server Operating System at the core, and I don't dare expose my computer to the 'net' without a properly configured firewall because of all the services.
I even installed, and configured a firewall on my fathers system so he's mostly protected without seeing one prompt from the application. Just because he isn't that smart about networking, and firewalls doesn't mean I have to leave him unprotected.
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stryc99
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Two things:
1.) Yes the people in this forum are tin-foil hat wearing paranoids.
2.) WTF? No firewall!! Come on I'm not a paranoid person, but my routers and firewalls at home, home office and work get hammered on all day long by idiots that think that they don't need a firewall.
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B
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JTRockville
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clubs: | heh, and they call you guys paranoid. That's a pretty risky move, B ! |
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said by stryc99 :
my routers and firewalls at home, home office and work get hammered on all day long by idiots that think that they don't need a firewall.
I agree, it's these idiots that get their systems exploited and port scan us all day. |
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jdong
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I've only been here for a year or so, but I've already given up the AV/Firewall/SPI convincing act... 
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Darwin
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My mother always said: "Those who won't 'learn', must 'feel'..."
I predict these anti-firewall people will 'feel' something one day - and it won't be particularly pleasant.
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BlitzenZeus
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jdong
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clubs: | probes... who cares.
actual exploits: ok, panic |
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LowWaterMark
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Well, what difference does it make what other people think. My motto: Stand tall, be a nerd and be proud!
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StraitShoot
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said by JTRockville :
said by ftzsee , in the Comcast Forum:
The people in the security forum are overly paranoid.
In this discussion, some people say a firewall is unnecessary! I hope the person who asked for advice doesn't believe them.
ROFL...That just about says it all.. ROFL...
Besides, I think the general public seems to have that "Comcast" type of thinking when they are newbies.. My nephew NEVER cared., until Heee Heee Heee! (yes, I'm gloating).. he had Bugbear, 3 trojans, and TONS of Spyware on his computer that almost made him throw the machine away.. (Deep down I think he was looking for an excuse to hit on his mother for a new 'puter...).. and anyways, now he's a security "freak"..LOL Got KAv, Zapro., Spybot, etc... |
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BlitzenZeus
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said by jdong :
probes... who cares.
actual exploits: ok, panic
Its a probe if its blocked by your firewall, but we don't know if its an actual exploit until its too late 
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jdong
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| said by BlitzenZeus :
said by jdong :
probes... who cares.
actual exploits: ok, panic
Its a probe if its blocked by your firewall, but we don't know if its an actual exploit until its too late
true. That's why I like IDS/firewall hybrids better
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Schouw
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quote:
In this discussion, some people say a firewall is unnecessary!
Lol, with the dcom exploit even the 6 month old girl next door can break into a computer.
I could give more arguments, but like jdong, I also have given up hope.(This post contradicts that, but hacking a puter has gotten _really_ easy now). |
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drew
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oh dear god...
you people ARE paranoid.
I sit in the DMZ on my router and I've not ONCE gotten a single trojan or anything else of that sort. I keep my system up-to-date and have more than my fair share of computer knowledge. I have AVG installed and scan files that I download from un-trusted locations.
The only virii I've had to get rid of are ones that come from e-mails that my parents open on their own computers... my system is perfectly fine.
and as someone just said in IRC.. I tend to agree with him...
[12:57:19] firewalls are for morons.
Firewalls in a home setting are completely pointless.. unless you ARE a moron who likes to open up executables in their Outlook Express inbox... or something of the sort...
come port scan me! what you're going to find is a box that has strong passwords on its administrator accounts and doesn't have to forward ports for all the apps that I use on a daily basis.
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