David Pinnegar
@213.78.x.x
| reply to bky
Re: DIE!
I hate spammers and stopping them by providing the »www.antespam.co.uk costs me a lot of time. But I hate the blacklists - they are generally unreliable and Osirusoft has been one of the worst and deserves to have collapsed. Of the others »www.spamcop.net is the best and is founded upon valid algorithms.
I stop spam using a modified content filtering system and it is eminently more successful than any Blacklist can be. We usually achieve 1 in 10,000 accuracy. The whole of the discussion about Osirusoft is irrelevant - other than spamcop.net, no-one should be entrusting their email delivery to IP blacklist based systems.
YOurs sincerely
David Pinnegar BSc ARCS |
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Googled
Yay, I have FIOS
join:2001-08-13
Orchard Park, NY
 ·VoicePulse
| reply to Geoducky
said by Geoducky:
Actually I wonder why more people don't refer spammers to the FBI... I bet 99% of spammers have commited one or more of:
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falsification of internet domain records (they ALL do this)
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Even SPEWS is guilty of that one.
I for one think blacklists are a good idea, but really dislike SPEWS. I'm the webmaster of a server which was caught in the collateral damage caused by the aggressive blacklisting that SPEWS provides. At one point they had all the subnets of the hosting provider that I am hosted at blacklisted. That's thousands of servers blacklisted, all because one person decided to send spam. All the other blacklists simply listed the one IP of the offending server, but not SPEWS they kicked it up a notch and blocked everything with total disregard to the innocent.
It has since been an uphill battle for my provider to try and get off their blacklist. SPEWS has no contact information other than to post to news.admin.net-abuse newsgroup and provide evidence that the spammer has been shut down. At that point all you can do is hope that the right people will see it and have pity on you. All the while SPEWS continued to happily blacklist thousands of innocent servers. |
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Salamander14
join:2002-10-15
CH
|  reply to Geoducky
said by Geoducky:
Actually I wonder why more people don't refer spammers to the FBI... I bet 99% of spammers have commited one or more of:
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Because damages less than 50KUS per instance doesn't show on their radar screen (you are not worth their time).
said by Geoducky:
I don't even see why services like Osirusoft or SPEWS exist. The typical spammer sets up valid ISP accounts (with false personal information), spams like hell for a couple weeks (voilating ToS), and moves on to the next ISP. Even if the ISP intends NOT to harbour spammers, they can be repeatedly blacklisted.
This has been my chief complaint against blacklists for ages. They nail too many innocents. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to Geoducky
cause their outside the US, we should find them and use our missles on them rather then stuff in the middle east. spammers are a threat to national security and our economy if they can overwelm corperate mail servers with spam.
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Geoducky
@attbi.com
| reply to bigbeartech
Actually I wonder why more people don't refer spammers to the FBI... I bet 99% of spammers have commited one or more of:
credit card fraud
tax fraud
mail fraud
phone fraud
identity theft
falsification of internet domain records (they ALL do this)
I had my credit card number stolen once, and a spammer used it to register several domain names and setup web hosting accounts.
I don't even see why services like Osirusoft or SPEWS exist. The typical spammer sets up valid ISP accounts (with false personal information), spams like hell for a couple weeks (voilating ToS), and moves on to the next ISP. Even if the ISP intends NOT to harbour spammers, they can be repeatedly blacklisted. |
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Gyzm0
Phear My Hand Cannon
join:2003-03-15
Grand Prairie, TX
| reply to bigbeartech
said by bigbeartech  :
That and some spammers live outside the US
Haven't you heard The U.S. can tell any one what to do
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bigbeartech
Goo?
join:2001-09-23
Saint Louis, MO
| reply to KrK
Except spammers often use stolen credit cards, false information, and other tactics to spam, as was noted with the earthlink spammer. Of course the earthlink spammer was nailed.
That and some spammers live outside the US
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
Premium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
 ·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to bky
Good move, Spammer fools!
Switch your annoying, un-ethical but still mostly legal tactics of Spamming over to tactics that are completely illegal, and drum up more opposition.... now there's something people can *prosecute* you for....
Somewhere out there is some P.O.'ed prosecutor who's tired of being spammed with Porn and Viagra ads and now you've given him his chance to whoop some ass.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!) |
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bky
moof moof
Premium
join:2002-07-05
Austin, TX | KILL THE SPAMMERS! |
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