Wildguy
join:2003-03-02
Watertown, MN
| Online game hosting with speedstream 5200
Just got dsl with speedstream 5200 modem/router and can't host a online game. I am running on a LAN and my ISP is frontier. People can see my room up, but CAN'T enter, they just time out....Can someone please tell me the settings I have to have to allow me to host?? I have played with it and changed settings and even tried port forwarding and still no luck........thanks |
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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join:2003-06-03
USA
 ·FrontierNet Intern..
| Your going to have problems you prolly won't ever currect.
1. The router blocks pings.. Yes it's possible to stop bypass the pings but it directts them to only 1 IP..
by default pings are blocked and the workaround is primative and flawed half the time it doesn't work with servers..
The Secound issue is that the router can't make your lan IP the same as your external IP. This games see you on the internet when you try to host as (LAN IP).
For instance if your LAN ip is 192.168.254.1
the server will send them that IP to connect to. In reality your IP is (EXAMPLE) 65.56.98.34
This IP is assigned to your ROUTER. Then it forwards data to the ports. I have no IDEA how to setup this router to function currectly with hosting. If it was a linksys it would be easier because from what I understand linkys can stealth the other computers on the net make the lan IP a forwarded version of the external ip.
Problem with frontier is they use PPPoA finding a good name brand US router that uses PPPoA and it's clearmode authentication is next to impossible. So your stuck with your fast confused ISP connection.
However, if your connecting as a client they see you as the WAN IP. There are no problems here most of the time.
You could turn off the hardware firewall not just DMZ but it'll cause problems on a multi system lan and you have security issues. |
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Doctor Olds
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| said by Sarick  :
You could turn off the hardware firewall not just DMZ but it'll cause problems on a multi system lan and you have security issues.
If you turn off the Firewall in the 5200 you need to have Public IPs on the LAN side of the 5200 for each PC and one for the LAN interface, too. Read the details in the image above for Off. 
Regards,
Doctor Olds |
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Doctor Olds
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| reply to Wildguy
For Port Forwarding to work in the 5200 you must use NAPT only. If you have NAT and NAPT both enabled it will fail.
Study the User Guide here »kb.efficient.com/article.asp?art···31&p=351
Regards,
Doctor Olds |
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Sarick
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USA
·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to Wildguy
Olds I've tried all of these, this router refuses to akllow hosing becaise the primary access for directed pings is ignored by defailt. The work around is useless because the product won't give you an outside IP.
forget bridge mode PPPoA won't allow any connections other than using it's internal router. Setting the firewall to low and DMZ still blocks pings and custom udp packets, there is no GOOD routers out that support the PPPoA login this the routers brige mode is worthless..
PPPoE has a guzillion routers to choose from you can slap those puppys on anything and pickup 99.9% of the routers out today and make the DSL link.
Linksys has a why that is oppsite of the speedstream.
The speedstream makes a connection then transfers to a lan ip in nat or napt. the exteernal IP is different than the computer lan IP and all te computers on the network can see each other.
However these new linkers have an interesting why to make them highly server compatible.
each of the ports for all the can be setup to have the external IP addres when you log on. Although your stil shareing the connection as far as the wan network is concerned your computer is the external ip. The system also thinmks it's the external ip as well.
The drawback to this is that the internal lans can't see each other. But I think the've solved that problem by giving each connection 2 ips! one for the external and one for the internal for each system So your lan can use the internal ip to connect to each other while your computers use the real wan connection to connect to the internet.
The problem with the speedstream is it won't give you an outside IP with the option to allow "TRUE" pings. In fact I don't think it will give an outside ip to an internal lan at all. What do servers think of this..
For starters most software is DUMB really dumb it sends the ip it see's on the adapter not the external IP when it tells the servers /clients its IP. The fact that it sends 192.168.254.254 makes the connections screwed up.
when you host a game your system connects out fine though the lan ip. But as soon as you attempt to host it sends the lans ip to the clients wishing to connect and WAMO they can't connect to a LAN ip over the WAN!
The siple fix for this other than the PING issue is for software makers to get intellegent and make sioftware smarter.
How simple is it to scan for the REAL ip not the network IP send the real IP back to the software and from then on all communication will go over the lan IP but tell the wan clients it's real wan IP not the lan IP.
I hate to say it but either software makers are not very smart or I'm a genus!!
1. The olny fix I think can help this fellow is if SOMEONE somewhere can explain this static route configuration.
2. Make this router have true Ping ability!! not forwarded. |
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okitismine
join:2000-08-06
Brisbane, CA | Try the 5861 it will do PPPoA and you can control the blocked port and protocols.
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LLockejr
join:2003-08-18
Hadley, NY
| This would explain why I can't seem to get portforwarding and delta force tfd to interact with each other.
/sighs
I was able to host anything with my cable modem and linksys 4 port router, but this 5200 is annoying. Reliable and stable, but annoying.
oh, forgot to mention, it's the 5200 Router/DSL Modem.
[text was edited by author 2003-09-04 15:17:52] |
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Sarick
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USA
·FrontierNet Intern..
| reply to Doctor Olds
said by Doctor Olds :
Doctor Olds If you turn off the Firewall in the 5200 you need to have Public IPs on the LAN side of the 5200 for each PC and one for the LAN interface, too. Read the details in the image above for Off.
Regards,
If he's on any notwork getting a vailid public ip is going to be hard. Since PPPoA only allows one IP per virtual circit.
Basicly even if all client computers have a pubic ip the only IP that can have access through the DSL connection is the wan IP controlled by the rouuter.
lets just say your WAN is 63.63.63.1 and you have lans
63.63.63.2, 63.63.63.3 and 63.63.63.4 on your internal network.
even though they are valid public ip's the only incomming connections allowed oper the ATM are for 63.63.63.1..
If someone attempts to connect to 63.63.63.2, 63.63.63.3 and 63.63.63.4 from the wan they will not be routed through 63.63.63.1 to get to the lan ips. for the IP's to work the external gateway must ip alias the connections!
it's crasy. |
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mkrasz
join:2000-03-06
Rochester, NY
| said by Sarick :
for the IP's to work the external gateway must ip alias the connections!
One way this can work is to have your WAN:63.63.63.1 and your LAN assigned a different network like 63.63.64.1. The 5200 LAN can be 63.63.64.1 and your computers can be .2,.3,.4... The WAN is assigned on authentication and the LAN is manually provisioned in the 5200 router. Of course the provider must know the LAN network is behind the WAN address (i.e. your paying for it). I have only seen this done on a business offering (PPPoA).
I know it doesn't solve the topic of the thread... I just felt the need to converse  |
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Sarick
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join:2003-06-03
USA | reply to Wildguy
I fixed my problem with hosting by buying a ZyXel 645r from provantage.com..
Set my ISP account up Quick. |
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Doctor Olds
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join:2001-04-19
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| said by Sarick :
I fixed my problem with hosting by buying a ZyXel 645r from provantage.com..
The Prestige 645R does PPPoA?
Regards,
Doctor Olds |
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exchange
@net.mx
| reply to Wildguy
i have a router speedstream 5200 and i have a web server on my lan but the router has the http redirected to itself and when i try to change that the router does not response me anymore someone know how to change the default http redirect to another pc? |
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Sarick
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| reply to Wildguy
You should have started a NEW topic..
But you could get a DYNAMIC DNS,
Then put the DNS entry in your servers HOST file.
Your DNS HERE Your External IP HERE.
YOUR.HOMEIP.NET XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
it's a sad implementation of the SS..
I was abile to get SOCOM to Host but without the MICS..
Here is how I did it.
Set the PS2 Static..
IP 192.168.254.240
MASK 255.255.255.0
DNS 192.168.254.254
Or your ISPs DNS SERVER
After that is setup..
---- USE the PING work around.. ----
by rerouteing ICMP back to the routers IP. 192.168.254.254
Make a Filter 1 that denys incomming ICMP
ANY WAN to ANY WAN
ANY IP to ANY IP
With everything at te bottem checked except
ECHO REPLY, ECHO REQUEST, TIMER EXPIRED & TIME STAMP REPLY..
- USE the PING work around PART 2 -
Make an outgoing ICMP filter 2 that allows ALL ICMP outgoing.
ANY WAN to ANY WAN
ANY IP to ANY IP
Last after all that is setup SET a DMZ to your PS2 IP.
192.168.254.240...
It should work. As for the simple web server. You would need to forward a few ports. |
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Marcoroni
@pacbell.n
| reply to Wildguy
Same problem!
Hey... I have the same problem, but I use a Linksys router. It is a BEFSR41 or BEFSR11 or BEFSRU31, I forget which one but they are similar. Anyways, I can host halflife, soldat, any other game servers fine, but when I try to host a game for this new RPG I found, it just won't work. The game uses my LAN IP instead of WAN, and it is very frustrating. I have all the required ports forwarded, and even got desperate enough to try DMZ once. It shows up in the game list, but if people try to join they get "error connecting". Any help would be much appreciated. |
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Doctor Olds
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| said by Marcoroni:
Hey... I have the same problem, but I use a Linksys router. It is a BEFSR41 or BEFSR11 or BEFSRU31,
Then the posted info here won't work as your Linksys is completely different from the Efficient Speedstream. You might try the Linksys Forum. »Linksys
Regards,
Doctor Olds |
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Marcoroni
@pacbell.n | Yea, I know there is a linksys forum. I posted here because Sarick seemed to know about Linksys routers, and how to fix the problem. Since this was already on my topic, I figured to post here. If you insist I'll just post in the Linksys forum. |
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Doctor Olds
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| I see what he said above. 
said by Sarick :
Linksys has a way[sp] that is opposite[sp] of the speedstream.
[sp] = spell edit for clarity.
Regards,
Doctor Olds |
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Sarick
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join:2003-06-03
USA |  reply to Doctor Olds
Re: Online game hosting with speedstream 5200
Yes and quite well. |
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Sarick
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| reply to Wildguy
take a look at this it might work, I've used it to open up a public IP on the lan side while maintaining a private IP on the same LAN interface.
»Effecient 5200
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