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GarageJoe
U2 Rocks
join:2001-03-21
Scottsdale, AZ
| reply to carrieg2
Re: Install pro Q: Mis-stenciling of blocks?
Maybe I should just build a house next to the CO
I guess that question never gets old. I must admit I would look at people with a dumbfounded look on my face, because I couldnt actually believe they were asking me if I could do anything to make there circuit shorter. I was like what do you want me to do, build you a house next to the CO? They usually were like no but cant you do anything else? Like what? LOL Your line is the length it is because that is the distance between pts A and B. WOW, anyway back to your statement, if you did build a house next to the CO you would be the envy of many i would expect.  I know of some land that you can build on if you want.
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Matthew
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susangg6
join:2001-03-28
Fremont, CA
| Joe, I hesitate to disagree with you because you are a pro and I am not....but I am not certain that its as simple as you say. The reason I say that is because my current ex-Northpoint and now Rhythms (albeit not yet functioning) circuit HAD to be no more than 18,000 ft from the telco, or else I would not have had 416/416 SDSL service for over a year. Yet...when Megapath tried to provision me via Covad, they were told that I was not eligible for DSL because the line was over 22,000 ft. What it turned to be was this: PacBell REFUSED to use the existing circuit and insisted on setting up a "new line" that was at least 4000 ft longer than the existing one. They CHOSE to do that. They CHOSE not to either use the existing line or run a new one along that shorter route.
Of course, at that point, Megapath pulled the Covad order and set me up with Rhythms. When PacBell again refused, Megapath told them that you MUST use the Northpoint circuit because its the only one available for this customer that will get her the service she wants and PacBell backed down and said OK (why is why I say having a strong customer-oriented ISP DOES make a difference).
Now: If the EXISTING circuit got from point A to B in 18,000 ft (or less) I have trouble believing that when they tell you what your distance "is" it necessarily "is" what they say it "is" (sorry if I appear a bit Clintonian, but sometimes what "is" is really is NOT quite so cut and dried.) | |
mocycler
Premium
join:2001-01-22
Naperville, IL
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T Midwest
|  Oh, susangg...I'll bet my union dues you are a victim of the dreaded "bridge tap"!!!
Here is my theory as to what happen to you and why you are magically 4000 feet farther away from the dial tone factory than you were just a while ago:
You had SDSL. That means your DSL was not a "line share". It was on a pair all by itself. Northpoint takes a dump and you get disconnected.
The phone company spent a lot of dough for the cable that used to be your SDSL. They don't get no income if it just sits around. So, it was reassigned it to another customer, probably within a day or so after you got disconnected.
You come along and place an order for ADSL, which runs off your phone line. The problem is that your phone line is on a bridge tap, whereas your old SDSL was not.
Now, I know you're thinking: "mocycler's explanation would make a whole lot more sense if I knew what a bridge tap was." Gotcha. Here you go:
Say you live next door to the CO (like GarageJoe said). They run a cable 20 feet from the CO to your house, but instead of stopping at your house, they keep running the cable 21,980 feet down the road and leave the ends hanging in a box somewhere. Guess what? THAT'S a bridge tap. If you disconnect, they can give service to a new customer down the road with very little effort. It saves the telco money. Unfortunately, when they qualify you for DSL, they must include the length of the bridge tap. So even though you are 20 feet from the CO, it "counts" as 22,000.
Bridge taps can be removed, but only if your ISP is willing to pay the telco to go out and do it. PacBell didn't "refuse" to use your exsisting circuit...you didn't even have an "exsisting circuit" (it was disconnected and given to someone else, remember?). More likely, Covad "refused" to pay PacBell to get rid of the bridge tap on your home phone line, whereas Rhythms agreed.
My second theory: Your home phone is on pair gain, but I won't go there.
I know all this does not solve your problem, but I hope it helps you see that there is often a logical explanation for what is at face-value a ridiculous situation.
good luck,
mocycler
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[text was edited by author 2001-05-03 21:47:30] | |
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