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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade promotion?
said by Rfsjr2  :
What would you tweak? There would be no more satellite USB device to dance with. 
Auhhh yes. You got me on that one! However, the question remains. Will the 6000 be better or worse then the 4000? Especially since it isn't "tweakable."
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade
Sorry for being late to the party. Comcast is out at work, and has been all day so I've been off line. Had to get home to the satellite before I could get on-line. Go figure.
I'll answer as many questions as I can.
The DW6000 is available immediately for new installs on GC3 and Satmex5. It will be available for upgrades for anyone with a DW4000 by mid October. I don't have any cost information, and honestly I don't think it has been determined yet.
Unlike the DW4020, the 6000 runs the HPEP proxy client software on board. This means that you point your browser to use the proxy at the LAN address of the 6000 on port 87. The result is like a DW4020 on steroids when it comes to browsing. The knock on the 4020 has always been that due to the lack of the proxy, it does not browse nearly as fast as the DW4000. The 6000 is easily as fast, if not faster at browsing than a 4000. As a side note, for DW4020 owners, there is a plan to incorporate the HPEP client software on the 4020 as well in the future to solve that issue. I don't know when.
Like the 4020, there really are no tweaks on your computer to use the DW6000. Now I want to make sure the message gets out correctly, because I read too often things like "they took tweaking away with this", like it is some sort of conspiracy. That is complete nonsense. Both the 4020 and 6000 buffer data in and out for performance reasons. This means that your computer has a direct TCP connection to the modem, and the modem has a direct connection to the web server. The result is that your computer sees everything happening at LAN speed and LAN latency. So adjusting TCP settings on your computer is an effort in futility as by default, it is already tuned to work well at LAN speeds and latency.
So yes, that means the configurable TCP parameters that matter are on the modem itself, which you cannot control. That would only be a bad thing if those parameters are not optimized. I can tell you that I have seen no evidence on the DW4020 or the DW600 that communications parameters are not optimized. I can get as good or faster speeds on a DW6000 as I can on a fully tweaked DW4000. In fact the peaks I got were higher on the DW6000 on the same satellite, although I thought the average was about identical.
And to echo what Red Baron said, if HNS decides to cap your speed beyond whatever it is at now, tweaking your computer is meaningless anyway. They can cap your 4000 right now, and all the tweaking in the world wouldn't change that. Just ask folks with capped cable modems.
All tweaking does is make sure that your computer is getting all the available bandwidth. If the bandwidth is reduced, tweaking isn't helping anything. So as long as the DW6000 is giving you as much as is there to be got, stop worrying about not being able to tweak.
Now having said all that, you will be encouraged to run the LCCU when you get a DW6000. Please note that the newest version of the LCCU recognizes that adjusting TCP parameters on a client does absolutely nothing to enhance performance, so it doesn't do it. The only thing the latest version of the LCCU will do when you are on a DW6000 is adjust your maximum connections per server up to 15 for Internet Explorer. That will have a beneficial effect, but only if/when you aren't using the proxy, like HTTPS sites. I would manually adjust your maximum connections way higher than that, to about 64 or so to get the best performance for Web browsing outside the proxy. So there you go, you still get one tweak.
I will forewarn you with this caveat about speed. The in and out buffers that the DW6000 uses, in combination with the HPEP proxy, completely confuse the java speed tests. I have found no workaround for this, and at this point all I can say is the java speed tests are all but useless with the 6000. The upload speed might work, but downloads will report way slower than actual. I usually see downloads of about 600-800Kb/s with the occasional 1050Kb/s on the speed tests and yet real FTP downloads off peak were as high as 2500Kb/s, with an average probably around 1600Kb/s. This could cause us to re-think how we do the daily status thread.
If I missed a question, let me know. If I don't know the answer, I might be able to get it for you. My bottom line on the DW6000 is that it is easily the best product that has come out for Direcway yet. That doesn't mean it's perfect, but is is a very good thing to get that software off your computer and onto a dedicated processor, and it is also nice that it does this with a good degree of reliability. The blue lights are very pretty also.
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| PetDude,
I like my Sat connection and have said this many times. My only complaint is the slow upload speeds. I am so hoping they are fixing this with the new modem. I have my fingers crossed. IF they are not doing something to help the upload speed I for one would not pay for a new modem. Unless at some point I was forced too. So if you have any information on the upload speeds I would love to hear it.
Thanks
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Spinnaker
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DW6000 with Consumer service |
said by PetDude :
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I'll answer as many questions as I can....
PetDude -
Well.. Your comments about the DW6000 have me tweaked  . The above illustration seems to indicate that the DW6000 has a NAT and DHCP capability... right? wrong?
Spin...
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade promotion?
Upload speeds. Yeah that. OK, here is the deal as best as I can describe it to you without getting myself in a heap of trouble. If you get a DW6000 that alone will not help your upload speed. You are still limited by the same in-route hardware at the NOC and the same methods of handling traffic. Expect the same upload speed, a new modem can't solve that by itself.
It has already been posted here that the DW6000 is supported on new in-routes that will allow for higher upload speed. But more specifically the new in-routes provide more upstream bandwidth per in-route which could mean more upload speed per customer or could mean more customers per in-route.
It doesn't mean those new in-routes would be available for free, or that they would be available in a consumer version, and I would complete discount any information from anyone who states they know one way or the other. I don't think anyone knows for sure. I'm guessing we will know before year end.
But in any event, the DW6000 won't be the only piece of new equipment you would need for the new in-route and you might not need the DW6000 depending on how old and what type of equipment you already have. You will need new stuff outside, for sure.
Bottom line is if the only reason you are considering upgrading is to get better upload speeds, save your money and wait a couple months to see what develops.
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade
Spinnaker, yes it has DHCP and NAT capabilities. There is a "Pro" version for those with a need for a static IP. In that case the DHCP will only hand out one address, the static one, just like a cable modem. You would attach the unit to your computer if you only have one, or to a router if you want to share that IP.
For the average consumer who doesn't require a static IP, the unit can be attached directly to a computer, if there is only one, or to a hub or switch for a LAN. There is really no need for a router in this case as the DW6000 will hand out LAN IP's and handle the sharing itself.
By the way, the Mydirecway music will work on the client computers if attached through a switch or hub (so I hear), but not through a router. I haven't tested this as I must use a router in my applications, but I did test it for a short time directly connected to a computer and the music was there. The routers I used did not pass the music through, which I was told was to be expected.
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade promotion?
The Blue Light Special. Front and Back. By special request from our friend Frank.
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Sort of a side view and one with a DW4020 set next to it for perspective. It's right tall.
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Thanks PD. We all appreciate the photos.
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Spinnaker
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade
PetDude -
It all sounds good... I assume setting up clients with static IPs should not be a problem... ( My Network seems to have fewer problems that way ). I can see some topics coming up about UNtweaking the Host and client computers for those upgrading their DW4000 to the DW6000
Waiting for the price -
Spin..
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade promotion?
Great information PetDude. Thanks.
A couple more questions.
1) How much heat is generated by the 6000 compared to the 4000?
2) After using the 6000 extensively, what is your recommendation to 4000 users, upgrade or not?
Ken
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oldsouth
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Thanks for the info PetDude. Looks like they designed this one to be on its side from the start. I guess they read our forum also.
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unplugme
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 - public IP
There are 2 levels of service on the 6000 residential-59.99- no IP and a new Pro version 350 MB thruput/day, 1IP included , 56 Modem included (emergency back up) will be 99.99 - US $. In Canada prices are $99.95 residential, $139.95 Pro.
Also the DW6000 will be able to support the dual in-route burstable 256 in the near future- don't know pricing yet.
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade promotion?
Nevermind
[text was edited by author 2003-10-01 10:01:57] |
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NoClones
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Basically the only other information I'm waiting for is the price of the modem. As soon as someone finds out please let us know. |
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BigCreek
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade
PetDude, thanks for all the information. You're a real asset to this forum. PreciateCha. |
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NoClones
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Re: [SRS] When will DW6000 be made public/upgrade promotion?
Thought of something else.
If all the software is on the modem itself is there any way to check signal strength and things like that? |
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samco
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| said by NoClones :
Thought of something else.
If all the software is on the modem itself is there any way to check signal strength and things like that?
most likely though a web interface to the modem.
sam
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NoClones
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| said by samco :
most likely though a web interface to the modem.
sam
Ah okay, I didn't think about anything like that.
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Yes, there is a very extensive web interface. Signal strength is of course included as well as some very detailed status reports.
Heat: The receive circuitry is on top, and just like with our IRU's, that's where the heat comes from. I'd say it gets no hotter than the IRU on a 4000, perhaps a bit cooler.
Upgrade or not? I can't answer the question because I don't know the cost. If cost is no factor, then sure. Just getting the DAK software off your computer is benefit enough for me.
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