Link Logger
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 ·Shaw
| reply to psloss
Re: Messenger Spam on 1026 - Bad News Kids
Given that single packet UDP traffic is typically fire and forget, IP Spoofing is very possible given the spammer doesn't need a reply (Net Send couldn't use a spoofed IP addresses as the process required information be sent back to the spammer in order to complete the message process, ie if Netbios was enabled for messages and where the services.exe was sitting). Imagine if SQL Slammer used a spoofed source IP address, that would have been very, very bad and I wonder why the author didn't (unless the spoof generator would have increased the packet size too much).
I agree that this traffic isn't new and has bothered me for a while however as I was interested in the spammer's reasons behind the switch to this method. I would be willing to bet that filtering of UDP port 135 (how many ISP are filtering UDP port 135, as compared to TCP port 135) was just a small factor in spammers switching to this new method, as the real motivator is out and out performance. As you mentioned yourself we have seen this traffic before MSBlast came out so spammers were switching before UDP port 135 filtering started. ISP's will be unable to filter UDP port 1026 traffic so once again the bad guys ultimately win out in the end, because they are free to adapt.
Blake |
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psloss
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| said by Link Logger  :
I would be willing to bet that filtering of UDP port 135 (how many ISP are filtering UDP port 135, as compared to TCP port 135) was just a small factor in spammers switching to this new method, as the real motivator is out and out performance. As you mentioned yourself we have seen this traffic before MSBlast came out so spammers were switching before UDP port 135 filtering started. ISP's will be unable to filter UDP port 1026 traffic so once again the bad guys ultimately win out in the end, because they are free to adapt.
Good point about the filtering, although I'm not sure what you mean by "performance"...the mechanics of sending the packet to one port versus another (or multiple ports) seems fairly similar...what do you mean by "performance?"
Thanks,
Philip Sloss
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Link Logger
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·Shaw
| For an example of performance, to send a spam message via Net Send it might take a couple of seconds to send a message, but by using this new technique you can send several thousands of messages per second given the availability of bandwidth and CPU. So we are talking many orders of magnitude of performance increase by using this new method and hence why this traffic is increasing on suspected Services.exe ports as spammers let lose with a much faster gatling gun, as they are no longer limited by performance factors they do not control as with using Net Send.
Blake
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